| Doug Hahn |
Your opponent is grabbed until the end of your next turn unless you move or your opponent Escapes.
Does forced movement of any kind break Grapple? Shove moves the opponent. Trip causes the opponent to fall. So, both cause the enemy to lose their grapple, correct? (Forced movement doesn't have the Move Trait, but it moves the enemy, so this seems like common sense although I'm not 100% sure.)
What about Grab?
Grabbed is clearly not the same thing as a Grapple (Grapple gives the Grabbed condition). Does forced movement of any kind break a Grab as well?
| HammerJack |
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There is no reason to think that a trip would break a grapple. Nothing prevents you from being prone and grabbed at the same time.
Now, I believe forced movement out of a grabbing creatures reach would break a grapple, but remember, the source of the forced movement has to make a check against the DC of the grappler, to do that, per the imobilized conotion that comes with grapples .
| beowulf99 |
While I agree that it does feel odd that a trip wouldn't break a grapple, it is pretty clear that going prone is not "movement" for the purposes of breaking immobilized since you remain in the same space. I suppose this changes if a creature is "tripped" while flying or climbing and being grabbed at the same time however.
Part of me wants to rule that tripping a grabbed creature, especially in those circumstances, would be resisted by the grabbing creature.
Think a wrestler holding their opponent while another wrestler tries to take that opponent to the ground. There would be a struggle between the grabbing wrestler and the tripping wrestler to determine where the target ended up.
I will have to think on this more. As worded, I don't think trip breaks a grapple under normal circumstances. But during flight or a climb I do think that it would.