Is this correct: Does the Powerfull Leap feat increase both the vertical and horizontal part of ''High Leap'' ?

[zemk]

Let's say speed is 25 in all examples. To differentiate between horizontal movement and horizontal leap, I will call them ''Long Leap'' and ''High Leap''. This will come in handy when we look at the interactions with Powerfull Leap.

''Long'' Leap(1 Action): 10 feet horizontal
''High'' Leap(1 Action): 3 feet vertical, 5 feet horizontal

Long Jump (2 Actions): DC 15-25: Sucess: Move a number of feets horizontal = to the DC you selected for the check, up to your speed. In this case: 15 to 25 feet on a success, 10 on a failure

High Jump (2 Actions): DC 30: Sucess: 5 feet vertical, 5 feet horizontal.

Let's note that the jumps are written in a way where they can only go to the to the same category on a failure (High Jump fails into High Leap, Long Jump fails into Long Leap)

Now, let's read the whole entry from the feat:

PowerFull Leap
When you Leap, you can jump 5 feet up with a vertical Leap, and you increase the distance you can jump horizontally by 5 feet.

This is the contentious part. Because ''High'' Leap also has horizontal movement there is 2 readings possible there:

1) When you ''High'' Leap, increase the 3 vertical feets to 5, and the 5 horizontal feets to 10.

or

2) When you ''High'' Leap, increase the 3 vertical feets to 5, and when you ''Long'' Leap, increase the 10 feets to 15.

Because High Jump and Long Jump are modified leaps, it seems Powerfull Leap should aply to them. (You are doing a modified, modified leap) For the following results:

Long Jump: Move DC + 5 feet horizontally
High Jump: 5 feet vertical and 10 feet horizontal on a success or failure.

TLDR: Does the Powerfull Leap feat increase both the vertical and horizontal part of ''High Leap'' ?

[tivadar27]

I thought this too at first, but the issue is this, "leap" is a separate action from "high jump" and "long jump". One is an automatic thing that gives you a fixed distance, and the other requires a check. I believe that Powerful Leap *only* affects the leap action, so it doesn't affect high/long jump.

[beowulf99]

I second tivadar27's reasoning.

What you end up with is essentially this:

CRB PG. 470 "Basic Actions/ Leap" wrote:

Leap

Move
You take a careful, short jump. You can Leap up to 10 (15) feet
horizontally if your Speed is at least 15 feet, or up to 15 (20) feet
horizontally if your Speed is at least 30 feet. You land in the
space where your Leap ends (meaning you can typically clear
a 5-foot gap, or a 10-foot gap if your Speed is 30 feet or more).
If you Leap vertically, you can move up to 3 (5) feet vertically
and 5 (10) feet horizontally onto an elevated surface.
Jumping a greater distance requires using the Athletics skill.

Adjusted numbers in parenthesis. This is actually a pretty good feat all things considered. No skill check reasonable distance jumps are awesome in the right circumstances.

[zemk]

Wow I never tought this would be the part we don't agree on. The text of High Jump literally says you are making a leap :

You Stride, then make a vertical Leap

Long Jump is the same:

You Stride, then make a horizontal Leap

I don't see what interpretation there is left ?

[tivadar27]

Don't see how I missed that part... Leap is even capitalized. I think you are correct, sorry about that, I must have misread previously.

Going back to your original question: Yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't affect both distances on the leap. Note that for High Jump, you jump a flat horizontal distance (upgraded to 10' instead of 5').

Sorry about the confusion! I think I read it right initially then went back and thought I was wrong. I think I missed the whole "Leap" wording in the two complex actions.