Weapon Familiarity and Proficiency bonuses

[Ravingdork]

I'm making an elf alchemist with Elven Weapon Familiarity.

This means that she treats Elven martial weapons as simple weapons for the purposes of determining proficiency bonuses. Does this include the longsword, rapier, and bows? Or does she effectively take a -2 to hit with her bow?

[theservantsllcleanitup]

You are trained in them and won't get expert unless you take another feat at level 13 (instead of 7 when alchemist gives you expert in simple, unarmed, and bombs)

Level 1: Elven Weapon Familiarity wrote:

You favor bows and other elegant weapons. You are trained with longbows, composite longbows, longswords, rapiers, shortbows, and composite shortbows.

In addition, you gain access to all uncommon elf weapons. For the purpose of determining your proficiency, martial elf weapons are simple weapons and advanced elf weapons are martial weapons.

Level 13: Elven Weapon Expertise wrote:

Your elven affinity blends with your class training, granting you great skill with elven weapons. Whenever you gain a class feature that grants you expert or greater proficiency in certain weapons, you also gain that proficiency in longbows, composite longbows, longswords, rapiers, shortbows, composite shortbows, and all elf weapons in which you are trained.

[Rysky]

Pretty sure it's talking about weapons with the Elf Trait, like the Curve Blade.

[Laran]

One additional point - Your proficiency in Elven Curve Blade would become expert at 7th level since it has the "Elf" trait and is a martial weapon. (Alchemists get expert in simple weapons). Since the other weapons do not have the "elf" trait (which would make them them simple), that is why you would require the L13 feat to advance beyond trained in the other listed weapons

[Ravingdork]

Rysky wrote:

Pretty sure it's talking about weapons with the Elf Trait, like the Curve Blade.

Ugh! I hope not!

[thenobledrake]

The rules are definitely referring to the elf trait since there is no other designation for "elf weapon" provided by the rules.

To phrase that different with an example: a rapier is not an elf weapon without the elven weapon familiarity feat, and that feat doesn't say it makes it an elf weapon so it doesn't.