Mount options for Champion


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Hello,

I am working on my first character for 2nd edition organized play. It is a goblin Champion. Upon looking at the possible divine ally you can get at level 3, I was wanting to use a goblin dog. The RAW says that it is typically a creature with the mount special ability such as a horse. I see the horse rules with that ability in the PHB, but the horse description in the bestiary doesn't have this ability, and neither does the goblin dog in the bestiary. Is there somewhere that has better defined rules for a mount for a small character? A horse seems silly for a small goblin, and I can't seem to find anything other RAW friendly options.

Thanks in advance.

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The bestiary does not contain the rules for animal companions. Look in the Core Rulebook.

Per the rules, your Champion can use a Medium-sized horse (a pony). All other companions are Small until they become Mature Animal Companions.


But I want a stinky dog to bite all the evil dumb longshanks!

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/55/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Australia—NSW—Greater West

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Have a look at the Rough Rider Goblin ability


Sandra Wilkinson wrote:
Have a look at the Rough Rider Goblin ability

You....you are my savior. I do not know how i missed you could use this for champions when i read it.

Its not a goblin dog...but a hell of a lot better than a horse

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/55/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, Australia—NSW—Greater West

My pleasure, I was looking at something along the same lines, so it caught my eye (I ended up going Human, but that is still subject to change)

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What's still weird with Rough Rider in RAW is that since it doesn't grant your animal companion the Mount ability, you still can't ride it until it becomes Mature when you take the level 6 feat because without Mount the size restriction would interfere. Taking Rough Rider only really helps you by giving you the Ride feat that winds up being extremely niche if your long-term mount plan is to use an animal companion, in which case there's no need to make any checks ever to command the animal. Actual wolves and goblin dogs don't have anything listed for purchase price or anything that says they are combat trained, so they kinda suck as mounts if you want to ride a non-companion version. Even the animal companion version of a wolf/dog can't move you and support you in the same turn even once it's big enough that you can ride it, because that's restricted to "mount" only (so just horses for now).

Which all seems very counter-intuitive to me since the feat specifically calls out goblin dog and wolf mounts as animal companions that you then can't actually mount, and once you can mount them they're still gimped mounts for lacking the actual mount ability regardless of how common it would be for a goblin to use a wolf or dog mount. The Champion feat to get an animal companion just says that you usually get one with mount but you could get something else in line with your deity or other circumstances instead, so there doesn't seem like there's any point to calling that out in the Rough Rider text at all. Any small size Champion at level 6 could use a mature wolf animal companion as a mount so that part of the Rough Rider feat never actually does anything at all. I mean, unless you had a GM that wanted to argue that, say, a goblin devoted to Calistria has to ride a horse rather than something 1000x more fitting like a Goblin Dog.

Verdant Wheel ***

Are other mounts legal for PFS besides a horse?

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Sure, but I believe horse is the only core option.
Might've been the only published oprion when this thread was created?

Verdant Wheel ***

Agree.

There a few Mount companions now.

If access is needed, it seems as though getting the right boon is the only thing that stands in the way.

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