Would the Real Elluvia Maure Please Stand Up

[Andor the Wise]

OK, this is a lot of conjecture, with little to back it up.

I'll start with posting what RJK has said about her on these and other threads (that I've found...if there has been more, please add):

James Jacobs Creative Director
Sep 16, 2006, 12:27 am
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Most of those questions are intentionally left up in the air for now. But as for the missing Malcanthet picture... I asked Rob about this myself and he ponited out something intereting... the hall only contains portraits of allies to the Maure Family. Malcanthet is Elluvia's patron, certainly, but neither of them are allies to the family overall.

Rob Kuntz Contributor
Sep 16, 2006, 04:36 pm
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infomatic wrote:
Why doesn’t Malcanthet get a portrait? Y hates her, I realize, but half the subjects in the room seem to hate the other half, anyway (Orcus/Demogorgon/Grazz’t, Yeenoghu/Baphomet, etc.)
James answered this in part, but I'll also point out that the family was composed of individuals which had their own distinct powers and allies. When saying that the family had allies, it is only true because, in some cases, one of the individuals had gone the distance in attaining that ally and thus became the family's benefactor in that respect, and probably the one who would act as the family's intermediary with that "ally," the others being known to that Ally as a just faceless "Maure."

Rob Kuntz Contributor
Sep 21, 2006, 11:09 pm
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infomatic wrote:

• The Red-haired woman: There's a similar woman (red hair, green eyes) described in the entry with the "favorite niece" inscription. I'm not sure if there's ever been a description of Elluvia; she'd be a key suspect, I suppose.
Well, he gave it to his niece, so he must be the Uncle (or an Uncle), note that it notes "Favorite," indicating also that there is at least one brother, whoever that is, heh?

Allen Stewart
Oct 4, 2006, 11:36 pm
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Uncle,
We're eagerly awaiting the Family Crypts. Will we find Uncle Maure down in the family crypts? Can he be aided or restored to health/life by altrustic PC's, (and GM's)?

In the familiar tune of 'where's Waldo', Where's Elluvia Maure? Is she still hanging around on some obscure outer plane? Inquiring minds want to know...

Rob Kuntz Contributor
Oct 5, 2006, 04:26 pm
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Allen--

Elluvia. Well, I hope someone puts 2 and 2 together on this woman, as she's part of one of the major plots, and the one which was "unexpected."

Indeed, where are all of the Maures now? We know of Aflebain, and since the ID Core still funstions that suggests taht some are still alive, eh?

infomatic wrote:
Shad-Duan – no mention of this guy anywhere, that I can tell, though given his name and title he may have a connection with the Cult of the Long Shadow. Is he the shadow figure that was attached to the red-haired woman (Wee Jas?)
Try page 93 of DUNGEON #112, Tome of the Black Heart for Sha-Duan.

Th red-haired woman is not Wee-Jas, far from it. The hair color is only a hint at the relationship this woman holds with another not of the family (big hint, note the illos in the issue for this). What is she doing in the picture?

Now, that last response from RJK, to me, is the biggest answer to who Elluvia is.
When I first read this, I misinterpreted 2 things: the hair color, and what is she doing in the picture.

1) hair color...up until Dragon 353, there wasn't any description of Malcanthet. I assumed, based on the artist rendering of the giant succubus,being that she had red hair, that Malcanthet did also. Even after obtaining the Dragon issue and seeing Malcanthet with black hair...I failed to put 2&2 together...or apart in this instance. If her hair color was a clue to the relationship she had with another NON-Maure...(another KEY word...ANOTHER), then WHO is this OTHER red-haired person? The only one I can think of is WEE JAS. No, Elluvia wasn't WEE JAS, but she served her. Perhaps WEE JAS was the cause of the MAGICAL catastrophe that happened?
Now, back to the ANOTHER comment. It could be saying Malcanthet and ANOTHER...OR....it could mean ELLUVIA is not a Maure (by blood).

[Andor the Wise]

2) what is she doing in the picture?

There are TWO ways to read this...

A) what is she DOING in the picture
B) what is SHE doing in the picture

Notice the difference? It completely changes the meaning.

Up till recently, I was reading version A. Which made no sense to me. Ummm... she's staring. Which caused me to try and see WHAT she was staring at...which led to more confusion. Actually, for the longest time, I just read over that comment, not even putting it into the identification bank.

When I read version B, I was like WOW. A whole line of questioning opened up. The painting in the illos was of a red-haired, GREEN eyed female...the only RED-haired female in the actual paintings was Wee Jas...but she has DARK eyes...NOT green. As pointed out earlier, Malcanthet has black hair, AND doesn't even have a painting. So....WHY did the artist render ELLUVIA as one of the paintings?

My first thought was "she IS Wee Jas." But then I remembered RJK answering that the red-haired woman was NOT Wee Jas. UNLESS...( this JUST came to me), Elluvia IS Wee Jas. RJK's answer was ACTUALLY to the question "who was the red-haired lady in the series of scenes" (which RJK described as a vortexual memory cycle. Sooooo...WHAT IF...the "Elluvia" in the cycle WASN'T actually her? It LOOKED like her, but remember that shadow that left her...what if (and I don't know if he has this ability or not) FRAZ, being the deceiver and all...changed his appearance to make it LOOK as if it was Elluvia ...after all...it was HIS painting the memory cycle was in! Talk about Prince of Deception!

[Andor the Wise]

My thoughts on WHY Wee Jas would destroy the Maures....look no further than Aradnotep(spelling?). That priestess was one of her own. Think what she would do to someone who was WILLINGLY trying to destroy the ELDERS.

[Andor the Wise]

Perhaps Elluvia is NOT WEE JAS, just her servant, and the illos was just to give that clue.

[messy]

Andor the Wise wrote:

2) what is she doing in the picture?

There are TWO ways to read this...

A) what is she DOING in the picture
B) what is SHE doing in the picture

you sir, have lived up to your name.

all this time i was reading it as version a. by pointing out version b you've opened up a can of worms.

you get a cookie.

[Andor the Wise]

messy wrote:

Andor the Wise wrote:

2) what is she doing in the picture?

There are TWO ways to read this...

A) what is she DOING in the picture
B) what is SHE doing in the picture

you sir, have lived up to your name.

all this time i was reading it as version a. by pointing out version b you've opened up a can of worms.

you get a cookie.

Yum mum num num, me love cookies!

[Reggie]

I have been trying to work these subtle clues out for years - and hadn't even thought of your second way of looking at the question.

Thanks for moving things forward again!

Reggie

[Andor the Wise]

Reggie wrote:

I have been trying to work these subtle clues out for years - and hadn't even thought of your second way of looking at the question.

Thanks for moving things forward again!

Reggie

My pleasure! This is the best mystery I have ever encountered. It is always at the verge of my mind. I wish these forums were more active now, so that ideas could be shared.

[grodog]

Been reading through "The Greater Halls" again recently, and find this line of discussion quite interesting! Will ponder further :D

Also worth noting: https://www.facebook.com/threelinestudio/posts/2842385839126862

Allan.

[Andor the Wise]

grodog wrote:

Been reading through "The Greater Halls" again recently, and find this line of discussion quite interesting! Will ponder further :D

Also worth noting: https://www.facebook.com/threelinestudio/posts/2842385839126862

Allan.

Hope it sparks something great!