How does Guise of Unlife work with Splintersoul vigilante?


Rules Questions


Here's the relevant text from the archetype:

> Splintered Identity (Ex)

> A splintersoul’s two identities are even more distant from one another than those of a normal vigilante. He cannot use any of his vigilante talents while in his social identity.

The Guise of Unlife identity gains you an additional social identity as an undead creature.

> Guise of Unlife (Su)

> A vigilante with this talent gains an additional social identity in the form of an undead version of one of his existing social identities

How do the two interact? The Splintersoul text only prohibits use of vigilante talents in your social identity (singular). Should I assume that expands to include all social identities, however many you have?

I want to create a character who becomes an evil vampiric version of themself at night, and I want to do most of my combat and adventuring while in this form. But I'm having a hard time figuring out the best way to make it work within the rules. Any advice would be appreciated.

Scarab Sages

I believe it would apply to the new social identity as well. My suggestion, if it’s allowed in your game, would be to make a Dhampir with Guise of Life. I’m doing this in PFS, and it fits in terms of flavor. With the right variant dhampir, sunlight isn’t even an issue. Short of having to explain my “terrible allergy to positive energy” when in my social id, it’s never been an issue.


If it's another social identity, it follows the same rules and interactions as your original social identity. If you normally cannot do something while in your social identity, that applies to your guise of unlife as well.


Ferious Thune wrote:
I believe it would apply to the new social identity as well. My suggestion, if it’s allowed in your game, would be to make a Dhampir with Guise of Life. I’m doing this in PFS, and it fits in terms of flavor. With the right variant dhampir, sunlight isn’t even an issue. Short of having to explain my “terrible allergy to positive energy” when in my social id, it’s never been an issue.

"My terrible allergy to positive energy," love it!

That sounds like good advice; my intended use of the archetype is probably not legal.

I should mention my concept is a lot more convoluted than I initially let on in my original post. The character is a halfling with the creepy doll racial trait and the childlike feat. The initial social identity (as a halfling) will never be used. The vigilante form will be that of an eerie human child who takes orders from an imaginary friend and is a little too interested in knives. Then the second social identity is a creepy vampire child.

Mechanically it is a way to be good at stealth for purposes of talents that want you to catch opponents totally unaware, and a way to rack up massive amounts of intimidate points. It's also sort of a prank/inside joke that would take too long to explain in a forum post.

If I dropped the archetype, it would still be more or less legal, right? Assuming that I didn't care about anyone knowing the child and the vampire were the same person, I could freely use vigilante talents in either identity?

Scarab Sages

If you don't care about people knowing two identities are the same person, I think you can use your Vigilante talents as much as you want in either identity, yes.

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