Hello.
I know it must be a silly question which has probably been answered before, but talking to a friend this doubt arose.
When I pick a talent or sphere with an associated feat, do I have that feat for all purposes or only for fulfilling requisites? I mean, for example, if I pick the Dual Wielding sphere, do I get the effects of the feat when full-attacking?
Thank you in advance and sorry again if I'm being redundant.
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Talents with associated feats only count as the associated feat for the purposes of prerequisites. Often there are excellent feats you might want to take in core that require a feat you would otherwise bypass since SoM works under the attack action paradigm, which is why we created associated feats. If you wanted the benefits of the Two-Weapon Fighting feat when full attacking, you would need to take the actual Two-Weapon Fighting feat.
I see, thank you.
What would happen then if I pick Dual Wielding and then use it to pick Improved Two-Weapon Fighting?
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I see, thank you.
What would happen then if I pick Dual Wielding and then use it to pick Improved Two-Weapon Fighting?
You would gain the extra off-hand attack during a full attack at a -5 penalty, and would not have the penalty reductions from Two-Weapon Fighting. So if your base attack bonus was +6 and you're wielding a one-handed weapon with a light weapon in your offhand, your attack bonuses would be +2/-2/-3/-12.
I see. Thank you, much appreciated.
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I was doing the above math on the go, pretty sure I double-added a -5 on that last attack and that should actually be +2/-2/-3/-7. The rest should be correct.
Associated feats are more intended to allow you to access options like Two-Weapon Rend, Two-Weapon Defense, and any other feats that involve building on a combat style like Dual Wielding but don't specifically require you to be using the full attack action (which most sphere abilities are intentionally not compatible with).