Operatives exploit - Jack of All Trades question


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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

The exploit for Operatives Jack of All Trades. A player in my group recently picked this up with his character an it had left me in a position over reading as intended or reading as writing.

From how to the player intends it, it allows a player to make trained checks in untrained skills you have no ranks in. Now I initially thought this was make checks untrained as trained. But as I read it again I think in the regards of making DC 10 with a skill you couldn't make untrained like computers, life science, mysticism, engineering an the such.

Because I look at the exploit Alien Archive an that allows a operative to identify a creature an receive information and bonuses. Then why would you pick up that if Jack of all trades can essentially do a similar thing but with all skills untrained in.

I feel it is a min maxing way around avoiding to expend skill ranks or pick up necessary feats for proficiencies. Feels inherently broken as an ability.

I have been reading around an I haven't really come across anything other than players using it to provide a +2/+4, etc bonus to be able to do things only a trained player could do when the system provides feats, themes to accommodate a class skill deficiencies.

Curious to hear other people's thoughts on this.


I take "you can use all skills untrained" as meaning you can use options that normally require you to be trained.

It's not obsoleted by Alien Archive because AA allows you to double your insight bonus and still have trained ranks. It lets you become very good at identifying monsters through investment - Jack of All Trades lets you become minimally adequate in things that you don't invest in at all.

Sovereign Court

Yes I read it as those skills like engineering, computing etc that cannot be used untrained, can now be rolled for. Granted your bonuses will be low, but gives you a chance. It won’t give you max skill ranks/class bonus from being trained.


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Okay, That is how I figured it was. It was just the wording that makes you take a double take at it.

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