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Thori is a solid murder Doggo but lockjaw is a 12/10 good Woofer.

Why is their so many super dogs but so few super cats in Marvel?


Maybe because Marvel knows cats are evil?

I dunno. I do know that Lockjaw helping out the Guardians was great. Also great, Thori traveling with the baby sitters club while being hunted by Ares.

Bats though is just a good boy for being a ghost dog who wants to be good friends with Wolverine.


Maybe cats just aren't as heroic.

DC has super cats well I can think of one anyways, not a hero however..

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Thori is a solid murder Doggo but lockjaw is a 12/10 good Woofer.

Why is their so many super dogs but so few super cats in Marvel?

There are Neils (Speedballs super-powered cat), Ebony (Agatha Harkness' familiar, who can turn into a giant magical black panther, and *might* be a demon, or demon cat-person...) and Chewie (Carol Danver's cat, who, if he's anything like her cat from the movie, is scary...) that I can think of right off. (Gambit has three cats, but they don't have super-powers, so they don't count.)

But the dogs have Cosmo and Thori, as well as Lockjaw and Bats (and some powerless dogs, like Pizza Dog), so the dogs rule.

Thori is awesome, but Cosmo is super-awesome.


The name is odd however who names their dog after themselves and changes one letter. (Yeah I don't actually know the origin of Thori's name)


Vidmaster7 wrote:
The name is odd however who names their dog after themselves and changes one letter. (Yeah I don't actually know the origin of Thori's name)

If I recall correctly, Thori was named by a mind-wiped Loki.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:

Thori is a solid murder Doggo but lockjaw is a 12/10 good Woofer.

Why is their so many super dogs but so few super cats in Marvel?

There are Neils (Speedballs super-powered cat), Ebony (Agatha Harkness' familiar, who can turn into a giant magical black panther, and *might* be a demon, or demon cat-person...) and Chewie (Carol Danver's cat, who, if he's anything like her cat from the movie, is scary...) that I can think of right off. (Gambit has three cats, but they don't have super-powers, so they don't count.)

But the dogs have Cosmo and Thori, as well as Lockjaw and Bats (and some powerless dogs, like Pizza Dog), so the dogs rule.

Thori is awesome, but Cosmo is super-awesome.

How about Zabu? No "powers", other than being a sabertooth tiger.

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thejeff wrote:
How about Zabu? No "powers", other than being a sabertooth tiger.

Totally forgot about Zabu, yeah, he's at least as relevant as long-forgotten Ebony.


Zabu doesn't quite count for me. But sure.

As for the origin of Thori, he was one of a litter of pups that was father by a Hel-wolf and Garm. Garm later dropped off the pup that would be Thori to Kid Loki (who had kind of brought them together)...so now...we get Thori.

Also I'm with vid, cats in Marvel aren't that heroic. Though Chewie being an alien is still the best origin in terms of Rocket wanting to shoot him/her.


I need Doomsday clock to come out faster or be longer.... or both.


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The real answer about cats Vidmaster is that cats are the rulers of the universe. They don't need superpowers. They already own everything. They know when you're in the bathroom without them. They know when you're trying to sleep and supposed to wake up. They know how long you'll be out of the house. Those massive telepathic abilities are inherent to all cats.


Vid,

I just need Doomsday Clock to erase Dido and King from ever writing anything.


So I've been thinking about the new Hulk comics.

So banner of course has multiple personality disorder. Multiple personalities usually manifest after child hood trauma (Check!) as a way to deal with stressors in life that the person is not able to deal with normally. So Classic green hulk would be the personality to vent anger that banner can't express because he trained himself to well to bottle it up.

So This one is a bit sketchier but Joe fixit Is probably more of banner being unable to relax so Joe is literally the personality that lets him have some fun.

So The new (Devil?) Hulk Is that personality their to deal with all the hate and negative emotion the other personalities are unable to deal with. It seems the new hulk is quite capable of doing that.


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Vid,

That seems...accurate. Mostly I think what I love is how they've managed to make the one major Hulk antagonist, Abomination...even more horrible than before. That took some doing but I love what Al Ewing's doing here.


Yeah that was pretty disturbing.


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Vid,

Very. Which is probably why when people ask "Where do I go to read about the Hulk?" I wouldn't shy away from Al's work...but i'd tell them "If you love body horror comics, Immortal Hulk is for you."


So random thought out of the blue.

Why do they let captain atom and major force near any major city or heck anywhere with life. Their costume gets damaged and they explode taking out a city. Their suits get damaged all the time. Heck is cpt atom is a hero he should take responsibility and never let himself get to close to any sort of civilization. One super villain shows up and hits him too hard and boom millions are dead.


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Vid,

No idea but I always thought having nuclear powered heroes near ANY populace was a bad idea. Much less two of them.


Surely they have given their fair share of cancer to people by now.


Probably but then again that's why people stay away from the Hulk...


To be fair most people in the marvel universe don't consider the Hulk a hero really. The same can't be said about cpt atom.


Vid,

Fair point. Though being made purely of radiation is kind of not something I think most people want as a power.


Yeah that doesn't sound like a fun one at all.


What does sound fun? Stretchy powers.


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Their is a reason Sue Storm puts up with Mr. F's crap.

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What does sound fun? Stretchy powers.

And that's one of the reasons that Mr. Fantastic endears himself to me. Even back in 1962, the heroes with stretchy powers were all pretty goofy: Elongated Man was Flash's sidekick and Plastic Man was, well, Plas.

So, Stan Lee creates his first super team, and he gives the dopiest power to the least dopey guy on the team. And everybody plays it straight. Yep. Mr. Fantastic. Stretches. Sure.

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Thanks to Madame Rouge on the Teen Titans cartoon, and, especially, Elasti-Girl in the Incredibles movies, we've gotten to see stretching powers be absolutely badass, so it's on comics and comic-movies to see if they can do the same on the page or on the big-screen with real live actors.


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All I know is this: War of the Realms has a LOT of tie-ins but they still are way better than anything DC has tried.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
All I know is this: War of the Realms has a LOT of tie-ins but they still are way better than anything DC has tried.

Yeah. This is one of the few mega-crossovers where I've actually picked up everything (since the first Secret Wars/Crisis days) and while some haven't impressed me, overall they've been pretty good. I think this one came together well.

Not sure that's really a Marvel vs DC thing. Marvel's had its share of lousy Events. This one just worked. At least for me.

And Valkyrie!


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Yeah I'm a little miffed about Val dying like she did...but at the same time, that was a warrior's death.

Also while it's not a Marvel versus DC thing...I feel like at least Jason Aaron and the rest are telling the stories...not just I want to see but the ones that need telling.


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MMM been reading Savage Avengers. Every interaction with Conan and Wolverine is absolute gold.


It is indeed that.


Been reading New avengers (great team line up). Which of course lead into civil war and then secret invasion. Reading some of the other stuff in secret war. Honestly I think the full invasion was rushed on the skrull part. I think if they had kept up with the undercover part till they eliminated all the heroes they would of had it in the bag. Only thing that would of upset it would of been Mr Fantastic and Fury.


I also think the skrull copied some they shouldn't of been able to copy. Their was a skrull galactus for example. obviously he wasn't as powerful but like why have a skrull Galactus?

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Also the Skrulls are a bit pissed with the big G for snacking on their homeworld, so may want to trash his reputation further. I’m not sure how they’d make the Eater of Worlds look bad but...
Or alternatively it’s a way of scaring off other space types because no-one wants to draw his attention to their world.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I also think the skrull copied some they shouldn't of been able to copy. Their was a skrull galactus for example. obviously he wasn't as powerful but like why have a skrull Galactus?

As the original Super-Skrull was based on the Fantastic Four, I kind of wanted other super-skrulls based on other cosmic-ray-enhanced quartets, like the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes, or the U-Foes (Vector, Vapor, X-Ray and Ironclad). The latter, in particular, could be a living nuke, dropping into a city center using Vector's power, and transforming into radioactive gas and metal shrapnel (using the other threes powers) as he impacts, only to reform and do it all again, next city over...

As it was, Super-Skrulls based off of Thor or Iron Man didn't really make much sense to me. Skrull technology should A) easily be able to outfit a bunch of armored dudes, no 'super' required, and B) has no chance in hell, IMO, of 'super-skrulling' Thor (or magicians like Dr. Strange, or cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer).

There were some good ideas in that run, but there were also some bits that felt half-arsed, like they hadn't really thought them through, and the design of the super-skrulls seemed very much like 'tell the artist to draw funky amalgams of various Marvel heroes, even gods like Thor, magicians like Dr. Strange, or androids like the Vision, but, inexplicably, no villains?'


Yeah I liked the idea of the Illuminati Skrull but he didn't really do much. Yeah I also don't think their should of been a Skrull Thor. I guess if most of them are just doing it for looks and not the powers it's all fair. I think they should of taken some more time on the fights and show cased some more of the skrull stuff. It basically all added up to some legitimately cool large portrait pages but that was about it. Also yeah having a Skurll ironman? like just have your super smart inventor stay in the back and give all your skrulls armor. heck that alone should win your war.


So I've been trying to find a story line where apparently the Hood gets the infinity stones but I haven't been able to find it anyone know the name of it? I'm wondering if they were the Norn stones and I was misinformed.


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It was an Avengers arc, back in 2010. Apparently every two-bit crook's had a chance with the Gems.

He did also have Norn Stones a couple of times, IIRC.


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Jeff is correct; The Hood got the Infinity Gems (before the change color and thus power) some time in 2010, before Secret Wars 2015. *checks* Avengers Volume 4, issue 7 was the start of it. I hope that helps.


So I've been making my way through house of M. decimation, and now I'm to messiah complex. I am so lost. I think the straight x-men line is like chapter 3 of it so I paused found uncanny which seems like part one but apparently Charles is back and I have no idea in which comic that happened. They make this stuff so hard to follow.


Vid,

I wish I could help you but I'm still foggy about all that stuff before Secret Wars 2015...


Been reading about everything their is around house of M and decimation. I think the fact that Scarlet Witch is allowed to continue to be an avenger after what she did is the strongest point that the avengers and humans in general in universe do not respect the mutant's rights as people.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Been reading about everything their is around house of M and decimation. I think the fact that Scarlet Witch is allowed to continue to be an avenger after what she did is the strongest point that the avengers and humans in general in universe do not respect the mutant's rights as people.

I think it's a strong point that it's an episodic shared world where things often happen for the sake of a desired plot arc that then lack realistic consequences because they want to use the characters in their more traditional heroic role.

It doesn't say anything about the Avengers or humanity in general. It says that writers and editors wanted to use the Scarlet Witch in the Avengers, rather than writing her off as a pariah after that one storyline.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Been reading about everything their is around house of M and decimation. I think the fact that Scarlet Witch is allowed to continue to be an avenger after what she did is the strongest point that the avengers and humans in general in universe do not respect the mutant's rights as people.

Alternately, it's the strongest evidence that writers who had used Wanda, a character who had been around since before Bendis was born, before, or wanted to use her afterwards, decided to politely ignore that particularly storyline (which had her do something that her powers couldn't do, in reaction to some information she had known *for years*, for reasons that remain inexplicable).

Bad story was bad.

The High Evolutionary, OTOH, had *already tried to get rid of all the mutants* before and did so again, a few years later, and could have just as easily been the catalyst for the Decimation. It would have been both completely in-character for him, *and* completely in-line with his previous feats of power / tech, *and* wouldn't have perpetuated the lame-ass 'women can't handle great/cosmic power without going cray-cray 'cause they're all emotional and ****' trope.

They even attempted an Author Saving Throw and pinned it all on Doom and some made-up 'Life Force' power, in Children's Crusade, and had Wanda be a pawn, but, IMO, came off as kind of a weak after-the-fact fanfic retcon, even to this fan that *wanted* Wanda to not be ultimately responsible, and did little or nothing to make the X-fans calling for Wanda's blood feel any more fond of the character.


All I know is Wanda's "No more Mutants" didn't kill off mutants. But I do think that Bendis was terrible for Marvel for like a dozen other things...


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So from the philosophical side. If you for example had to power to change an ethnic group all to a different group and did so you would be recognized as a monster. Which is basically what happened so maybe not murder but the severity isn't far behind. If nothing else you can in-directly blame her for the bus of no longer mutant kids killed.

So If we assume the writers basically just decided we want to keep using this character despite this evil crap she did then they could of had a large number of usual comic reasons she did it. Or at least stop writing a huge plethora of comics revolving around the damage she did to mutant kind. So if the writers goal was for you to still be able to like the character after they failed miserably. She also brings down every character that stands by her. Even Captain America. It just highlights how even the best of humans still don't treat mutants like equals. I don't think calling what she did genocide is that far off to what she actually did. Regardless of the writers intent that is what they have created. It's really no wonder Mutants don't trust any humans even the avengers. I really like the house of X line where they have basically decided to say good by humans we will be on our own now. You leave us alone you get good stuff you mess with us you get well real bad things happen.

So we can discuss the writers intent but I don't think that is as interesting as discussing what they actually put out in front of us and its ramifications.


I just think that for me, the whole saga with Bendis in charge proves he shouldn't have been...


So Thomas their is a lot of rumors about Kang coming to the MCU I've been seeing.


I'm sure that there are...but until we get clarity on what's coming down the pipe in 2020/2021 I'm not going to say for certain Kang is coming.

But if he does I think it might be in the form of Christian Bale. But that's just a thought.

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