So my players allied with Gogmurt. I decided that Gogmurt was going to remain loyal to the tribe, but not Ripnugget and that Gogmurt wanted to become the new chieftain.
In their encounter with Gogmurt, they were nearly defeated and on the ropes, but were able to get Gogmurt down to low enough hp to get him to surrender and then work with them. The party agreed to take out Nualia and her crew and to not kill anymore goblins. They went back to Sandpoint to heal up and resupply while Gogmurt proceeded to tell all of the remaining goblins and Nualia how he fought off the longshanks sent to stop them and pushed them all down into the howling hole for the bunyip to eat them. This raised Gogmurt's status significantly with the tribe.
The party returned and Gogmurt told them how to get by all the goblins, as best he knew, to get to Nualia. While Gogmurt was allied with the party, he also wanted to eliminate them and Ripnugget so he hatched a plan for the party to take out Nualia, then get Ripnugget to go after the intruders. Once they fought each other, Gogmurt's plan was to take out Ripnugget.
The players were much more effective than Gogmurt expected and he threw in with the party to help defeat Ripnugget as all the other goblins were unconscious as the party true to their word didn't kill any more. They came face to face, both the players and Gogmurt were low on hp, but the players had no healing left and Gogmurt had plenty of charges left on his wand to take out the party. They knew this and realized that they likely wouldn't make it out, even though they were angry at Gogmurt's betrayal. What this amounted to is them missing out on most of the encounters in the lowest levels. They did explore and find the sarcophagus's and gold coin stack but got scared and left before investigating further. So I'm going to be throwing an encounter at them before they go to the Misgivings to bring their XP up to get their level more in line with where it should be. They made 4th level, but are only about half way to 5th level.
Some of the goblins got away in the initial raid on Sandpoint. In particular, one regular goblin and the Bard. So my idea is that these two got lost after the raid trying to find their way back to their tribes. They teamed up and have gone feral.
I'm going to make the regular goblin a Big Mouth Biter Barbarian to represent him losing his weapon and using the one last weapon goblins have, their giant mouths. I'm drawing a blank as to what I should do with the Bard.
The party has already nicknamed the soon to be barbarian Pickles, and are always afraid he's coming back (due to them facing a recurring character they just couldn't defeat in a previous campaign under a different GM). So I'm gonna give them what they expect. The group consists of a human Bard 2/Fighter 2, half-elf Rogue 2/ Ranger 2, elf wizard 2/ Fighter 2, and human paladin 4. The paladin is a two-weapon shortsword wielder, and the other three are specializing in archery.
I'm looking for suggestions for something entertaining that will pair well with the Big Mouth Biter and give them a challenge. Possibly throw in some extra lesser goblins stragglers or other creatures they picked up after the raid. Something that isn't going to rely on equipment or magic items as they won't have access to a lot of stuff. While the group are 4th level, they've really struggled with goblins and come to see them as a challenge, even with their goblin antics. So while they've resolved the major goblin threat and found that they are able to deal with average goblins fairly easily, I don't want them to forget that they are always going to be dangerous.
Any suggestions?
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Also you should give xp for overcoming an encounter, not just killing the bad guy. I think turning the bad guy into an ally counts - even if only temporary.
Stop using XP and level the party when it is an appropriate time for the party to level.
-Skeld
Thanks for the useless suggestion.
Also you should give xp for overcoming an encounter, not just killing the bad guy. I think turning the bad guy into an ally counts - even if only temporary.
Oh I do that. I gave them XP for the encounters that were directly over come by them getting Gogmurt's help. They didn't get XP for stuff they didn't encounter and Gogmurt didn't help with like the Shadows, the crab, and some others which they never explored. That's not the problem though.
I'm not looking for advice on how to award XP. I've got no problems with that. I'm looking for suggestions on something to do for the encounter I'm designing. Looking for something interesting to do with the Goblin Bard that will pair well with a Big Biter Goblin barbarian.
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Thanks for the useless suggestion.Stop using XP and level the party when it is an appropriate time for the party to level.
-Skeld
You're welcome. Let me know if I can help you out with anything else. :D
-Skeld
PS: it's not a useless suggestion. Lots of GM/groups go XP-less and it solves a lot of problems exactly like the one you're having and more.
Thanks for the useless suggestion.Stop using XP and level the party when it is an appropriate time for the party to level.
-Skeld
You're welcome. Let me know if I can help you out with anything else. :D
-Skeld
PS: it's not a useless suggestion. Lots of GM/groups go XP-less and it solves a lot of problems exactly like the one you're having and more.
It is useless because I am using XP and I didn't ask for advice on how I should handle XP and leveling up. I already know about going XP-less and using XP is a choice I made. Having to add to and adapt the AP to what my players do isn't a problem for me. It helps the AP feel less like it is on rails that way. Therefor using XP isn't a problem for me. So rather than assuming I don't know about going XP-less and hadn't already considered using it, why not actually answer the question I am asking? That being suggestions on how to advance the goblin Bard to complement the Big Mouth Biter Barbarian to provide an interesting scenario.
No need to be obnoxious. You introduced the challenge as relating to providing additional xp to your pc's to keep them on track with the AP. Foregoing XP is a perfectly valid suggestion - it may not be what you wanted but how is anyone else supposed to know that?
Further this forum is not just for you. Others reading the thread may have similar challenges and not know about or had not considered getting rid of XP.
Perhaps more grace would get you better results. "Yep, know about going xp-less but don't want to go that route. Looking for any suggestions on the encounter."
You'll note, no one has actually provided any input on that topic. Probably not a coincidence.
No need to be obnoxious. You introduced the challenge as relating to providing additional xp to your pc's to keep them on track with the AP. Foregoing XP is a perfectly valid suggestion - it may not be what you wanted but how is anyone else supposed to know that?
Further this forum is not just for you. Others reading the thread may have similar challenges and not know about or had not considered getting rid of XP.
Perhaps more grace would get you better results. "Yep, know about going xp-less but don't want to go that route. Looking for any suggestions on the encounter."
You'll note, no one has actually provided any input on that topic. Probably not a coincidence.
Yeah, what they said.
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Thanks for the useless suggestion.Stop using XP and level the party when it is an appropriate time for the party to level.
-Skeld
You're welcome. Let me know if I can help you out with anything else. :D
-Skeld
PS: it's not a useless suggestion. Lots of GM/groups go XP-less and it solves a lot of problems exactly like the one you're having and more.
It is useless because I am using XP and I didn't ask for advice on how I should handle XP and leveling up. I already know about going XP-less and using XP is a choice I made. Having to add to and adapt the AP to what my players do isn't a problem for me. It helps the AP feel less like it is on rails that way. Therefor using XP isn't a problem for me. So rather than assuming I don't know about going XP-less and hadn't already considered using it, why not actually answer the question I am asking? That being suggestions on how to advance the goblin Bard to complement the Big Mouth Biter Barbarian to provide an interesting scenario.
You asked for advice; you received advice. You're welcome to accept it or reject it.
However, if you're going to be pissy about it, you should lower your expectation of getting advice in the future.
-Skeld