In the hypothetical situation that a cleric with command undead encounters and attempts to command a summoned undead creature (vs created/called), is the command undead ability able to usurp control from the summoner?
They can try.
If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.
They can try.
If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.
Hmm. I wonder if the premise of that statement is based on another creature using the command undead vs having a summoned creature. Given that the CRB does't really have a summon undead type ability (that I was able to find).
Hmm. I wonder if the premise of that statement is based on another creature using the command undead vs having a summoned creature. Given that the CRB does't really have a summon undead type ability (that I was able to find).They can try.
If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.
I'd say they'd probably put "if someone else is using this ability on an undead creature" if they meant to limit it to that. "Under the control of" seems quite general.
But most summon spells are dismissable, right? If someone keeps winning Charisma checks over your summoned undead, you just dismiss them.
Multiple Mental Control Effects
Sometimes magical effects that establish mental control render each other irrelevant, such as spells that remove the subject’s ability to act. Mental controls that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not interfere with each other. If a creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the control each effect allows. If the controlled creature receives conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the creature obeys.
The "make opposed Charisma checks if multiple controllers' orders conflict" rule is a general magic rule, not just a rule related to the feat. Any control effect that doesn't explicitly state otherwise works the same way. In other words, don't dump Charisma. : )