Baleful Polymorph + Claim Identity and Assume Appearance questions


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Baleful Polymorph
Claim Identity
Assume Appearance
Flesh to Stone

I'm making an arcane trickster to use in an upcoming game. He pretends to be a mundane barkeep with his daughter (polymorphed familiar). I'm interested in the RAW of the below questions, though opinions are welcome after the rules are clarified.

1) Lets say I baleful Polymorph someone (lets say a human named Tim) into a squirrel. Note the Permanent Duration, not Instantaneous. (Same should apply to certain applications of Polymorph Any Object but I'm trying to keep it lower level)

I then want to use Claim Identity on them. They's still technically humanoid since the magic isn't instant. Do I now a appear as a humanoid Tim, While Tim remains a squirrel?

1a)Same question, but what if i used Flesh to Stone instead of Baleful Polymorph? Is the Statue still a creature for purposes of this spell? I think no, but would like second opinions.

1aa) NA if #1a = No. If the statue is still a creature and works for this spell, is there any effect if I sculpt the statue via stone shape into something else? Face change? Do I get the new face or the old face? What if I make it into a square? Does it stop working or do I get Tim's original face.

2) Now, I think the same trick doesn't work on Assume Appearance because that spell requires a dead body. If I kill Tim the squirrel I'm pretty sure his body reverts to a human shape, correct?

2a) NA if #2 = body reverts after death. If Dead Squirrel Tim doesn't revert then can I do the same trick with Dead Squirrel Tim and the Assume Appearance Spell?

Thoughts?


Claim identity is a polymorph effect.

as long as baleful polymorph remains in effect, the target cannot use other polymorph spells or effects to assume a new form

So claim identity is going to fail on them.

You have left the rules, but i believe that when a spell has a compound effect: A happens and B happens, if A can't happen then B doesn't happen either. You can't turn Tim into Random Civilian # 29 , so the spell fizzles.

Flesh to stone should work (which makes if very similar to the greater steal identity spell) , and i would have it alter the statue. If that doesn't work, stone shape and some crafts in sculpture.

no idea what NA means.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Claim identity is a polymorph effect.

as long as baleful polymorph remains in effect, the target cannot use other polymorph spells or effects to assume a new form

So claim identity is going to fail on them.

You have left the rules, but i believe that when a spell has a compound effect: A happens and B happens, if A can't happen then B doesn't happen either. You can't turn Tim into Random Civilian # 29 , so the spell fizzles.

Flesh to stone should work (which makes if very similar to the greater steal identity spell) , and i would have it alter the statue. If that doesn't work, stone shape and some crafts in sculpture.

no idea what NA means.

Thank you. NA = Not Applicable. I probably should have written it N/A.

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