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Given that we've been given "series" of quests during the last three seasons, which give both XP and PP, how does this work for both Urge to Evolve and Ambush in Absalom? The latter's chronicle says 0 XP, and while there's a space for PP, I've seen threads dating back to 2014 and earlier saying you weren't supposed to give PP. That these are particular quests are nothing more than an extra fight to give the PCs an extra boon. For Urge to Evolve, the chronicle is completely blank, meaning that there's a spot for both XP and PP to be written down. Because it's not available on the site, but rather through a magazine, there's not really any talk about it where I can gain any actual information on how to proceed. Is that supposed to also be 0 XP and PP, but Paizo decided to not fill it in (even partially) like they did Ambush?
So, how do I proceed with these? Are they still both 0 XP and 0 PP? Is it just Ambush that's 0 XP, but Urge can gain some rewards? Do PCs still get to make a day job roll at the end? Due to the rules of the new quests, do players now have to use the pregens instead of their own characters?
Feel free to add additional content that I didn't bring up that would be pertinent information.
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As far as I am aware - under the current rules, you can always roll a day job as long as your PC has the ability to do so normally.
I think the only Quests that require pre-gens are Fane of Fangs (also 0xp/0pp) and Honor's Echo (though that is likely to change once the Season 9 PFS Quest package is released at/after Gen Con 2017).
Also (I'm on mobile so searching/linking the forums is rough for me on a tiny screen or else I'd find it and link it) there is a ruling that if you die in a 0xp/0pp Quest, the character is not reported dead (since there is no way to report 0xp Quests anyway), but they do get a chronicle sheet with all the boons crossed off (since they still cannot play a Quest multiple times with the same PC).
Hope that helps!
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As far as I am aware - under the current rules, you can always roll a day job as long as your PC has the ability to do so normally.
I think the only Quests that require pre-gens are Fane of Fangs (also 0xp/0pp) and Honor's Echo (though that is likely to change once the Season 9 PFS Quest package is released at/after Gen Con 2017).
Also (I'm on mobile so searching/linking the forums is rough for me on a tiny screen or else I'd find it and link it) there is a ruling that if you die in a 0xp/0pp Quest, the character is not reported dead (since there is no way to report 0xp Quests anyway), but they do get a chronicle sheet with all the boons crossed off (since they still cannot play a Quest multiple times with the same PC).
Hope that helps!
I actually didn't know about Fane of Fangs until now. Looking over it I can't believe that it's 0 XP and PP for that much work. I'd hope it's not required to use pregens since the scenario says it's designed for 5th level characters. Granted it provides you with four 5th level pregens, all of them being the unchained version of the original classes.
Silverhex Chronicles and Phantom Phenomena also mention that they require you to use 1st level pregens to play.
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Fane of Fangs is specifically for the Level 5 pregens that are presented with it. Once upon a time Paizo planned to release book-specific Quests for all major releases tailored specifically to characters from that book.
Silverhex and Phantom used to require 1st level pregens, but that requirement was lifted in a PFS Blog post...I'll try to find it and link it here in a few minutes.
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Ah ha, found it HERE. Enjoy! :)
Thank you very much for that. Sadly a little disappointed in that there's no clerical healing in the Fangs adventure. How does one run this with a group of 5 or 6 people? My home PFS group wants to do these to pass the time, but there's up to seven of us. Usually only five show up, however. Are we allowed to double up like you would We Be Goblins?
Our lodge is going to be doing quests once a month at the local library, like it used to under our previous VL, and I'd hope to never send anyone home if they're looking to play.|
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You know, Fane of Fangs is the only one I'm not sure about going with 5 or 6 on...maybe if we're lucky John or Linda or Tonya will weigh in on this?
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For "Quest Days", something I've done in my area (and it really helped us build up a strong corps of GMs) was to run a GM 101 Session/Workshop for new GMs, then assign each one part of Silverhex to run the next week, rotating them in/out and taking a back seat just observing and such.
Before we lost almost half a dozen GMs to reverse-matriculation (hazard of a PFS lodge in a college town), we built up so many GMs that we could run multiple tables of Quests at the same time! Heck, at one point, I had to book myself over a week in advance if I wanted to GM a game in my own lodge!
I'll look into Fane with 5+ players and post here if I learn anything (and/or try to poke one of the powers that be to comment) - best of luck with your quest days!!!
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You know, Fane of Fangs is the only one I'm not sure about going with 5 or 6 on...maybe if we're lucky John or Linda or Tonya will weigh in on this?
Before we lost almost half a dozen GMs to reverse-matriculation (hazard of a PFS lodge in a college town), we built up so many GMs that we could run multiple tables of Quests at the same time! Heck, at one point, I had to book myself over a week in advance if I wanted to GM a game in my own lodge!
Hopefully. "Quests" have changed so much and it seems the older ones have been forgotten about since the new ones have come about.
I actually had to retire as a GM for nearly a year because we had too many GMs. Now I'm the one spear-heading everything and trying to make the ledge what it used to be.
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I was under the impression that the Season 8 Guide to Organized Play changed the old rulings to encompass all adventures.
Yes. All adventures.
Adventure: Adventures collectively refer to scenarios, sanctioned modules, and sanctioned Adventure Paths.
Note that quests are not on that list. That was deliberate.
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I was under the impression that the Season 8 Guide to Organized Play changed the old rulings to encompass all adventures.
Not that I see.
After each adventure that grants XP, you gain a period of Downtime before your next mission. During Downtime, you can attempt a trained Craft, Perform, or Profession check to see how much extra money you earn—this is called a Day Job check.
If an adventure doesn't grant XP, then you don't get a downtime (i.e. Day Job).
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I was under the impression that the Season 8 Guide to Organized Play changed the old rulings to encompass all adventures.Yes. All adventures.
Adventure: Adventures collectively refer to scenarios, sanctioned modules, and sanctioned Adventure Paths.Note that quests are not on that list. That was deliberate.
That's not that clear-cut, however. Quests in the appendix are defined as a type of adventure:
Quest: Quests represent short adventures designed to last about 1 hour.
My guess is that quests count as adventures and your quote represents a mistake of omission, but either way, the Guide is currently inconsistent.
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So, another follow-up:
I ended up GMing Urge to Evolve and Fane of Fangs (with four players), but now when I go to report the tables, I don't see them on the pulldown list.
I mean, it's a really long list but I just spent 15 minutes scanning it again and again and I can't find either table nor did I see Ambush in Absalom for that matter.