Would Living Steel Spiked Gauntlet with Shield Gauntlet Style break weapons on natural 1's?


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Would Living Steel Spiked Gauntlet with Shield Gauntlet Style count toward living steel's ability to break weapons on natural 1's used against the wield/wearer?

Living Steel:
Armor and shields made from living steel can damage metal weapons that strike them. Whenever the wielder of a metal weapon rolls a natural 1 on an attack roll against a creature wearing living steel armor or wielding a living steel shield, the item must make a DC 20 Fortitude save or gain the broken condition. If the weapon already has the broken condition, it is instead destroyed. Living steel cannot damage adamantine weapons in this way.

Shield Gauntlet Style:
When using this style, if you begin your turn wearing a gauntlet or spiked gauntlet on your off hand, and you are not using that hand to hold or make attacks with any other weapons or shield, you gain a +1 shield bonus to AC. You lose this shield bonus whenever you attack with your gauntlet or hold a weapon or shield in that hand. While receiving this shield bonus to AC, your gauntlet or spiked gauntlet is treated as a buckler for the purpose of using other feats and abilities (though you are also considered to have a free hand).


To rephrase: Do special materials innate special properties count as abilities for the proposes of Shield Gauntlet Style.

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Vince Frost wrote:

Would Living Steel Spiked Gauntlet with Shield Gauntlet Style count toward living steel's ability to break weapons on natural 1's used against the wield/wearer?

Living Steel:
Armor and shields made from living steel can damage metal weapons that strike them. Whenever the wielder of a metal weapon rolls a natural 1 on an attack roll against a creature wearing living steel armor or wielding a living steel shield, the item must make a DC 20 Fortitude save or gain the broken condition. If the weapon already has the broken condition, it is instead destroyed. Living steel cannot damage adamantine weapons in this way.

Shield Gauntlet Style:
When using this style, if you begin your turn wearing a gauntlet or spiked gauntlet on your off hand, and you are not using that hand to hold or make attacks with any other weapons or shield, you gain a +1 shield bonus to AC. You lose this shield bonus whenever you attack with your gauntlet or hold a weapon or shield in that hand. While receiving this shield bonus to AC, your gauntlet or spiked gauntlet is treated as a buckler for the purpose of using other feats and abilities (though you are also considered to have a free hand).

This looks like a yes to me, My only other question was you didn't quote all of living steel, just the armor/shield section. So if you couldn't make weapons out of it (a stand alone gauntlet is a weapon, not an armor) it would not have worked, but weapons are valid so that's not an issue.

Here's my warning, If you're looking to combine this with something that requires you not to hold anything in your off-hand you'd have to be sure wearing a buckler on that arm does not negate that effect. Because "While receiving this shield bonus to AC, your gauntlet or spiked gauntlet is treated as a buckler for the purpose of using other feats and abilities" So that means it also counts as a buckler even if you might not have wanted it to. Though with a buckler your hand is still empty. So all depends on the details of the other feat/abilities.

So having an empty hand (like snatch arrows or slashing grace) you are good. Having a shield, or anything on the other ARM you would not qualify (such as Duelist Canny Defense, or Precise Strike abilities).


I plan on using Shield Gauntlet Attack and Master to attack with my Gauntlet up close while wielding a one-handed reach weapon.

Not sure if attacking with a 2h reach weapon will make me lose my shield bonus or not.


Thank You for the Buckler tip. I'll be sure to watch that.


Shield Gauntlet style changes you, not the item itself. In other words, you treat the gauntlet as a buckler in terms of your abilities and feats, but the gauntlet itself doesn't change and it doesn't treat itself as though it were a shield. Despite you treating it as a shield, it is not one, and the breaking armor clause does not apply.

That being said, I would probably allow it in my games.

A two-handed weapon would certainly cause you to lose the bonus. It is a little clumsily worded, but basically it says if you start your turn with your gauntlet empty until you hold a weapon or make an attack with the gauntlet you get a shield bonus. As soon as you hold a weapon (which you have to do while making a 2-handed attack) the bonus is gone until the start of your next turn, when it checks again.


By RAW, no.
Oh well, maybe the GM will be like you Dave Justus and allow it.

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