INT Based Bard? Bard / Wizard hybrid class?


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Am I the only one around who feels that the game is lacking this concept, somehow?

I am currently playing a Wizard(exploiter) 3 / Unchained Rogue 1 / Arcane Trickster X, as it's the closest I could get to the original idea.

Bard would have been great too, if only it was based off INT and slightly less focused on artsy performance

I liked the 3.5 Beguiler, that was pretty close too.

Anyway - I feel like I cannot properly represent my character concept with existing rules.

Character concept is... well imagine someone gave you this task:
"Make a hybrid class that is half bard and half arcane trickster, INT based and spontaneous"

How would you make this work with existing rules? Is it even possible?

NOTE 1: no, bard/trickster is still cha based, do not want. Must be INT based
NOTE 2: Sage Sorcerer is INT based and spontaneous, which is really cool. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with the subtlety of bards and rogues


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For Spontaneous Int casting, I'd suggest looking at the Occultist, Psychic, Psychic Detective Investigator Archetype, or the Questioner Investigator Archetype (which gets spontaneous Int-based Bard casting).

You might also like the Puppetmaster Magus, an illusion focused Magus who can get access to Bard spells.


The questioner investigator is the closest so far. I like it a lot. Thank you very much!


Make the bard's spellcasting Int-based, give him a spellbook. I'm not sure about the spell list. Maybe use the wizard list or make a custom list. This would be considered an increase in spellcasting power, so also reduce skill points to 4 (since he's Int-based now) and alter bardic performance to make it less powerful.


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If homebrew is on the table, I suggest you take a look at Ertw's beguiler from the conversion board, which has an option for an int-based bard archetype.


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SylverFox wrote:
If homebrew is on the table, I suggest you take a look at Ertw's beguiler from the conversion board, which has an option for an int-based bard archetype.

All of that is awesome. Thank you.


D@rK-SePHiRoTH- wrote:
SylverFox wrote:
If homebrew is on the table, I suggest you take a look at Ertw's beguiler from the conversion board, which has an option for an int-based bard archetype.
All of that is awesome. Thank you.

Glad I could help out!

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