How Versatile Performance and Aasimar Musetouched stack?


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I was reading about Versatile Performance and found this answer from James Jacobs.

Aasimar Musetouched receives +2 diplomacy and +2 performance. So with Versatile Perfomance (Oratory), when I use it in place of a diplomacy test, can I apply both bonuses or they don't stack because they come from the same source?


Stacking is irrelevant. You are using oratory in place of the diplomacy test, so the diplomacy bonus doesn't apply.


It does. James Jacobs (he worked in the adaptation of the Bard from 3.5 to Pathfinder)said that when you use Versatile Performance you still are doing a Diplomacy test, so you can add bonuses to diplomacy, like magic items, etc.

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No, he said "in games he runs" for starters (he even made another post right below the one you quoted where he said he "was tempted" to allow doubling up on things like traits and Skill Focus, but didn't state this was something you could actually do), and secondly, that was back in 2009 when the game was just coming out.

He also prefers people not to use his answers as a way to strongarm arguments.

So I would say no, they don't stack, because it's replacing the Diplomacy.

(As an aside, Racial bonuses are one of the few bonuses that do stack)

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Rysky wrote:

No, he said "in games he runs" for starters (he even made another post right below the one you quoted where he said he "was tempted" to allow doubling up on things like traits and Skill Focus, but didn't state this was something you could actually do), and secondly, that was back in 2009 when the game was just coming out.

He also prefers people not to use his answers as a way to strongarm arguments.

So I would say no, they don't stack, because it's replacing the Diplomacy.

(As an aside, Racial bonuses are one of the few bonuses that do stack)

Case in point, here's a post of his 3 years later where he says the bonuses to the skill you are replacing would not be applied.


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I need to get my glasses prescription revised, I first read this thread title as "How Versatile Performance and Aasimar Mustache stack".


Rysky wrote:
Rysky wrote:

No, he said "in games he runs" for starters (he even made another post right below the one you quoted where he said he "was tempted" to allow doubling up on things like traits and Skill Focus, but didn't state this was something you could actually do), and secondly, that was back in 2009 when the game was just coming out.

He also prefers people not to use his answers as a way to strongarm arguments.

So I would say no, they don't stack, because it's replacing the Diplomacy.

(As an aside, Racial bonuses are one of the few bonuses that do stack)

Case in point, here's a post of his 3 years later where he says the bonuses to the skill you are replacing would not be applied.

That was very enlightening, thanks. But it is still a good ability.

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