So you are Throwy McThrower, legendary Flying Blade, and some shmuck swings at you with a stick or something (the weapon used isnt really important to the question) The attack itself meets the conditions for both OP&R and DC, can you spend a point of panache, use an AoO to make a disruptive counter, hit them, impart a -4 to their rolls and then spend an additional point of panache to parry their debuffed attack and finally burn a second AoO to make a second attack against them? Technically the triggers for the attacks themselves are separate events, one is you being attacked and the other is from parrying an attack but i am not sure about multiple deeds both activating from the same source. Also, i am not sure but is the penalty from Disruptive Counter included in the attack roll that triggered it? Your DC AoO is sort of an interrupt that occurs before checking if the attack lands (such as a miss chance, compared against AC or being parried) but i am not sure if it technically occurs when the attack is declared but before the die is rolled or not.
|
1 person marked this as FAQ candidate.
|
Torbyne wrote: So you are Throwy McThrower, legendary Flying Blade, and some shmuck swings at you with a stick or something (the weapon used isnt really important to the question) The attack itself meets the conditions for both OP&R and DC, can you spend a point of panache, use an AoO to make a disruptive counter, hit them, impart a -4 to their rolls and then spend an additional point of panache to parry their debuffed attack and finally burn a second AoO to make a second attack against them? Technically the triggers for the attacks themselves are separate events, one is you being attacked and the other is from parrying an attack but i am not sure about multiple deeds both activating from the same source. Also, i am not sure but is the penalty from Disruptive Counter included in the attack roll that triggered it? Your DC AoO is sort of an interrupt that occurs before checking if the attack lands (such as a miss chance, compared against AC or being parried) but i am not sure if it technically occurs when the attack is declared but before the die is rolled or not.
So the way I'm reading Swashbuckler is seems like spending panache points isn't an action by default so Disrupting Counter and Opportune Parry are free actions that consume an attack of opportunity and Riposte takes an immediate action, so as far as action economy goes I think you are good. The only question would be can you trigger 2 AOO abilities off of the same attack. I would say most likely not as you can's parry and counter simultaneously.
Disrupting Counter wrote: At 3rd level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against her, she can spend 1 panache point to make an attack of opportunity against the attacking foe. This attack of opportunity can be made with either a dagger or a starknife. If the attack hits, the opponent takes a –4 penalty on all attack rolls until the end of its turn. You are right, the way DC is written it is unclear if the initial attack takes the -4 or if only the iterative attacks (if any) have that penalty. The way I would look at it is if an archer shoots someone while in their reach and triggers an attack of opportunity, the AOO takes place first. If the AOO drops the archer they don't get a shot. Therefore the -4 should apply to the triggering attack for DC.
Yeah, this is about what i was thinking, technically the parry isnt an attack but it might have been meant to count as one for purposes of triggering actions.
You can do both. OPR just expends an AoO, isn't one in its own right. They are excellent together, just a bit pricey which is why my Flying Blade has 16 CHA, Extra Ki, and a couple Plumes of Panache (to switch between combats).
ShieldLawrence wrote: You can do both. OPR just expends an AoO, isn't one in its own right. They are excellent together, just a bit pricey which is why my Flying Blade has 16 CHA, Extra Ki, and a couple Plumes of Panache (to switch between combats). Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity wrote:
If you have the Combat Reflexes feat, you can add your Dexterity modifier to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity). Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.
Given that you can't trigger 2 AOOs with one action, I don't think you can combine DC and OP&R off of a single enemy attack.
Opportune Parry and Riposte wrote: At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. As I said, it isn't an AoO, just expends a use of one. You'll find similar language in Step Up and Strike.
ShieldLawrence wrote: Opportune Parry and Riposte wrote: At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. As I said, it isn't an AoO, just expends a use of one. You'll find similar language in Step Up and Strike. Personally I would rule that both abilities can't be triggered off a single attack as Opportune Parry is an effective AOO, unless there is a FAQ or other source that says otherwise. I don't really see how Step Up and Strike enters this as that is just another way to perform AOOs.
It is a little awkward to think of first stabbing the guy and then parrying the attack they made but that because in most genres the stab you made would have ended the fight. In theory, if you are fast enough, you could do both actions. Parry itself isnt an attack either, i feel the AoO use is in place to limit the number of attempts you get in a round but its hard to say. I dont have the book on hand, is there a sidebar somewhere that explains parrying in any further detail? I am roughly planning out a character and really like the idea of stabbing an enemy twice, and debuffing them, if they tried to swing.
Recent threads in Rules Questions
|
