Wishcrafter and touch spells


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Liberty's Edge

So, since I just discovered that Ifrit is a legal race for PFS now, I'm gonna make an Ifrit Sorcerer, with the Wishcrafter archetype. It's main gimmick is Wishbound Arcana, which I will post here for your convenience:

"At 1st level, the wishcrafter can use the wishes of non-genie creatures other than herself in place of the normal verbal components of her spells. A creature can make a wish as a free action at any time, even during the wishcrafter's turn. The wishcrafter must be able to hear and understand a wish in order to use it as a spell component. A spell that doesn't normally have a verbal component gains one when cast using this ability. A wish doesn't need to mention the name of a specific spell, but must describe an outcome that can be accomplished by casting a spell the wishcrafter knows (for example, wishing to be bigger could supply the verbal component for enlarge person). A wishcrafter gains a +1 bonus to her caster level when using a creature's wish as a verbal component in this manner, but cannot include herself as a target of such spells. She can be affected by such a spell if it affects an area rather than a target or targets. A wishcrafter is under no compulsion to grant a creature's wish. Once the wishcrafter grants a creature's wish using this ability, she cannot use this ability to grant that creature any further wishes for 24 hours."

So, here's my problem. It doesn't mention about if the spell requires the creature to be touched or not. Like, let's say the Fighter who is 40 ft. away says, "I wish to stronger against my foes!" and I have Protection from Evil on my spell list. If I chose to grant his wish then and there, using my Wishcraft ability, would he immediately be affected by Protection from Evil, despite me not being in contact with him, or would I still need to make a touch?

Super cool archetype idea, allowing you to literally cast spells outside of your turn. Great for action economy. I just hope it can work well.


As I read it, it grants no special ability to skip normal requirements or make touches at range.

Neat ability though... I note there's no mention that the creature has to intend for its wish to be "granted" like this, or even that it be aware of the wishcrafter's presence, so some of the classic "I wish I was dead!" "GRANTED!" setups are possible.


I would think that what happens is that you use the wish to trigger being able to cast the actual spell, rather than just conveying its effects, so you would need to obey the range requirements. I could be wrong, though.
Also, "I wish to become more resilient to my foes!" or something would be a more appropriate for Protection From Evil, as becoming 'stronger' against them sort of implies being able to damage them more, which cannot be accomplished through that spell.

Liberty's Edge

I'm now wondering if I may have misread the ability. It doesn't allow me to act out of turn, but it allows me to gain a +1 to my caster level, and use a different Verbal component. That's not nearly as badass as I thought it was.

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It is a free Silent Spell and +1 CL with a condition. You could make some fun concepts with that.

The image in my head is liberating command

halfling being grappled by giant tentacles: "I wish you'd just let me go!"
wishcrafter: *snaps fingers*
Halfling gets an extra boost of Escape Artist.

Combined with Still Spell and a magic hiding feat, you could have some fun with Enchantment spells, too.

"I wish you'd just listen to reason!"
*snaps fingers*
charm person
"Well of course, my friends. I'd be happy to help you."
"That's better."

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Yep, they've got it right. You get no special ability to ignore range rules, so you'd still have to go touch the fighter.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

KingOfAnything wrote:

It is a free Silent Spell and +1 CL with a condition. You could make some fun concepts with that.

The image in my head is liberating command

halfling being grappled by giant tentacles: "I wish you'd just let me go!"
wishcrafter: *snaps fingers*
Halfling gets an extra boost of Escape Artist.

Combined with Still Spell and a magic hiding feat, you could have some fun with Enchantment spells, too.

"I wish you'd just listen to reason!"
*snaps fingers*
charm person
"Well of course, my friends. I'd be happy to help you."
"That's better."

Loving this :)

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