Kyton - A creature I'm very confused about


Rules Questions


So, I am thinking of throwing a Kyton at my party that I'm Gamemastering for, and there's just a few things about the Kyton that I need clarification on. Please be aware that I'm still very green with Pathfinder, so please don't be annoyed at my inexperience, and lack of knowledge.

My first question is regarding the Kytons attack. "Melee 4 chains +11 (2d4+2)". Does this mean that the Kyton can use the 4 chains to attack as a Standard Action? Or would it have to make a Full Attack Action to do so?

My second question is regarding the Kytons ability called "Dancing Chains" This is it's description (it's a long one):

"A kyton can control up to four chains within 20 feet as a standard action, making the chains dance or move as it wishes. In addition, a kyton can increase these chains' length by up to 15 feet and cause them to sprout razor-edged barbs. These chains attack as effectively as the kyton itself. If a chain is in another creature's possession, the creature can attempt a DC 15 Will save to break the kyton's power over that chain. If the save is successful, the kyton cannot attempt to control that particular chain again for 24 hours or until the chain leaves the creature's possession. A kyton can climb chains it controls at its normal speed without making Climb checks. The save DC is Charisma-based."

Does this mean if chains are lying around, or anywhere near the Kyton, can it use these chains as an additional 4 to attack with? Can it extend it's own chains (that have 10ft reach) to 15 ft? If it does gain control of chains, does it control the chain like the spell "Telekinesis"? How does the spell work game mechanic wise aside from what's explained?

Thanks to those in advance for answering this question, I understand it's a lot to read, and I'm incredibly grateful for those that have taken the time to answer :).

Thanks again
Skyhler


As written, a kyton can use Dancing Chains on its own weapons, allowing it to make up to four attacks on foes up to 25' away as a standard action, using its normal damage and to hit bonus. It cannot combo that with its full attack, however. The maximum number of attacks it can get without being hastened is four, regardless of Dancing Chains or full-attacking.

It can freely switch the chain attacks for trips, disarms, repositions, and maybe grappling, I'm not sure on that one.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Normally when it says

normal monster stat block wrote:
Melee 4 chains +11 (2d4+2)

it means that this is what it does as a full attack or it can do 1 of these attacks as its standard action and then take its movement action. However, the kyton has the dancing chains ability which allows it to

kyton stat block wrote:
control up to four chains within 20 feet as a standard action

This means that it can use its standard action to make 4 melee attacks as its standard action and it can also move its movement.

Thing to remember:

Round's action = Standard action (normally 1 attack) + Move action

or

Round's action = Full Attack = All attacks.

you can't do both at the same time.

Does this help?


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

Normally when it says

normal monster stat block wrote:
Melee 4 chains +11 (2d4+2)

it means that this is what it does as a full attack or it can do 1 of these attacks as its standard action and then take its movement action. However, the kyton has the dancing chains ability which allows it to

kyton stat block wrote:
control up to four chains within 20 feet as a standard action

This means that it can use its standard action to make 4 melee attacks as its standard action and it can also move its movement.

Thing to remember:

Round's action = Standard action (normally 1 attack) + Move action

or

Round's action = Full Attack = All attacks.

you can't do both at the same time.

Does this help?

This helps tremendously. Thank you all for helping me out. I was really confused, but you all cleared it up for me. Thanks again :)

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And here's a dirty trick for you: Give mr. Kyton one extra racial hit die, granting him one more feat. Take Combat Reflexes and be sure to bring loads of chains to back you up. Attack using the Dancing Chains or Unnerving Gaze special attacks, move into position and use your 4 opportunity attacks to teach the party not to mess with Kytons.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Skyhler wrote:
This helps tremendously. Thank you all for helping me out. I was really confused, but you all cleared it up for me. Thanks again :)

Glad to help.


I thought that standard action was used to gain control of the chains, not make full attack as a standard action.


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wraithstrike wrote:
I thought that standard action was used to gain control of the chains, not make full attack as a standard action.

Doesn't seem to read that way to me.

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