For retraining, the rules state "You can't perform any other strenuous activities while retraining, such as marching, adventuring, or crafting magic items." Does this mean that you can't do any of those activities during the 8 hours that you're retraining, or you can't do any of those activities during the other hours of the day while you're not training (Like you're too exhausted to do those things after training sort of thing).
While time frames are fairly ambiguous, a lot of rules seem to be written with the assumption that you only have eight hours of free time a day; the rest is spent either sleeping, or performing mandatory tasks such as eating, bathing, and prayer.
So if you are retraining, you do not have the free time to do anything else. Unless you have a Ring of Sustenance, that should give you enough free time to do another 8 hours of activity. (Though consult your GM)
Mind you, you can get crafting progress out of a 4 hour window with a higher DC. Idk about you, but I don't spend 8 hours eating, bathing, and so on. Adventurers don't need day jobs. That is their day job.
Buri Reborn wrote: Adventurers don't need day jobs. That is their day job. The adventuring part is the reason why I might think the rule is talking about the rest of the day because it says you can't do any adventuring while retraining. It seems obvious that you couldn't be retraining with someone while you're out adventuring which to me implies that it must be talking about the rest of the day.
Buri Reborn wrote: Mind you, you can get crafting progress out of a 4 hour window with a higher DC. Idk about you, but I don't spend 8 hours eating, bathing, and so on. Adventurers don't need day jobs. That is their day job. you also live in a house, with modern convenience. Think of it like going camping, how long does it take to setup a old time tent, gather fire wood, setting up fire pit, starting fire, cooking your food, then eating your food. even in the modern world average cooked meal takes 20-30 mins to cook and most people spend about 30 mins eating.This included talking. It also include modern temperature control devices and a lot of premade food items. now make something from scratch. you have to add food prep time in there also. if you have meal that require boiling water that is another 15 to 20mins. just to boil the water that is does not include going to get if from stream or water source provided you can find one. Same goes for the bath, you have to get to the water. Now lets add the time to get in and out of armor before and after bathing and sleeping. It is very easy to see how 4 to 6 hours of the day can be used up, just to take care of every day things that needs to be done. This is with out just time to relax.
I won't think of it like much of anything to balance out the highly magical scenarios who have unseen servants doing their menial labor. I take the 8 hours to mean you can't double dip the same time. It's not a statement of global exclusivity considering the normal rules allow for adventuring AND crafting. This saying that's not the case.
The good argument for not being able retrain while adventuring is that adventuring isn't always cleanly fit into an 8 hour window. So, for simplicity sake from a rules perspective, you simply can't do it.
The rest of the day though? Mine to do with whateeeever I want. If I want to retrain 8 hours of the day and craft for 4 and sleep like a dog day in/day out, that should be the character's choice.
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