| AmbassadoroftheDominion |
I wil preface this by saying that this is my particular taste in creature types (i readily accept that more people like outsiders than everything else, but it is kind of sad):
1.Aberrations (subtypes include Augmented and Fleshwarp)
2.Undead
3.Oozes and Vermin (tied, no legitimate subtypes)
4.Fey
5.Monstrous Humanoid and Humanoid (tied again, since they're so similar)
6.Plant (subtypes include leshy)
7.Animal (subtypes include Dinosaur, Herd Animal, and Megafauna, mainly)
8.Outsiders (subtypes include Aeon, Agathion, Angel, Archon, Asura, Azata, Daemon, Demodand, Demon, Devil, Div, Elemental, Herald, inevitable, Kami, kyton, oni, protean, psychopomp, qlippoth, rakshasa, sahkil........)
I'm worried about this, Outsiders, my least favorite group, whose only redeeming qualities are Neshmaals and Hounds of Tinadalos, have the most creatures. It's embarrassing, to say the least populous group is the one that should have more than outsiders, Vermin. Oozes fare no better, being a close second in numbers of creatures with stats. after that its too close to call until animals, who are just about ten or so away from having more than outsiders, but never get there since every time i turn around there are new outsiders here to usher spirits to one of the dozens of planes, or fill the elemental niche. that said outsiders are a perfect machine, and they fight so much between themselves that they can't do any real damage to reality as a whole in pathfinder.
Anyways, I was wondering if I'm the only one who thinks all the other creature types should be allowed to catch up to outsiders before the outsiders are the only thing people notice?
| Luthorne |
Not all creatures from other planes are outsiders, though. Celestial/Entropic/Fiendish/Resolute templates don't change type and are explicitly from those planes, so it's even possible that the inhabitants of those planes that are outsiders are in a minority and just more well-known because they're powerful enough or naturally inclined to be involved with other planes. Not to mention the many other creatures who specifically inhabit other planes, such as ankou, bodaks, carnivorous crystals, devourers, dwiergeths, the various gigas, grimslakes, grodairs, hellwasp swarms, leng spiders, lurkers in light, the melfesh monster, nightgaunts, nightshades, ostovites, primal dragons, prism dragons, pyropiscises, the various tane, zomoks, etc.
| edduardco |
It makes sense that outsiders would be the most diverse, each plane is a whole universe, so it makes sense that All Planes-1, would have more forms of life than 1 plane.
^This, IMO most of the population on the planes are outsiders, and the other types of monsters only lives in some planes, like undeads for example I imagine they shows rarely outside the Negative or Shadow planes. Besides they are from my favorite type of monsters :P
| edduardco |
Not all creatures from other planes are outsiders, though. Celestial/Entropic/Fiendish/Resolute templates don't change type and are explicitly from those planes, so it's even possible that the inhabitants of those planes that are outsiders are in a minority and just more well-known because they're powerful enough or naturally inclined to be involved with other planes. Not to mention the many other creatures who specifically inhabit other planes, such as ankou, bodaks, carnivorous crystals, devourers, dwiergeths, the various gigas, grimslakes, grodairs, hellwasp swarms, leng spiders, lurkers in light, the melfesh monster, nightgaunts, nightshades, ostovites, primal dragons, prism dragons, pyropiscises, the various tane, zomoks, etc.
AmbassadoroftheDominion is complaining that most of monsters in the books are outsiders not that outsiders are the bigger population on the planes, which has nothing to do with the content in the books. Besides vermin and animals are equal in to the material plane, you just add a template and thats it
| Luthorne |
Luthorne wrote:Not all creatures from other planes are outsiders, though. Celestial/Entropic/Fiendish/Resolute templates don't change type and are explicitly from those planes, so it's even possible that the inhabitants of those planes that are outsiders are in a minority and just more well-known because they're powerful enough or naturally inclined to be involved with other planes. Not to mention the many other creatures who specifically inhabit other planes, such as ankou, bodaks, carnivorous crystals, devourers, dwiergeths, the various gigas, grimslakes, grodairs, hellwasp swarms, leng spiders, lurkers in light, the melfesh monster, nightgaunts, nightshades, ostovites, primal dragons, prism dragons, pyropiscises, the various tane, zomoks, etc.AmbassadoroftheDominion is complaining that most of monsters in the books are outsiders not that outsiders are the bigger population on the planes, which has nothing to do with the content in the books. Besides vermin and animals are equal in to the material plane, you just add a template and thats it
I was responding directly to Milo's comment, not to the opening post. I should probably have quoted it to make it more clear. Besides, as you can see from many of the examples I listed, unique creatures from other planes don't have to be identical to creatures from the Material plane that just happen to have a template slapped on them, there can be unique dragons, fey, humanoids, magical beasts, monstrous humanoids, oozes, plants, and so on and so forth that are native to other planes, not just outsiders.
Edit: In short, just as the material plane is native to many outsiders, other planes do not have to be only outsiders, or even primarily outsiders for all we know...after all, it's not like most of the inhabitants of the material plane travel to other planes, so the inverse may well be true.