Brie Larson is Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel!!


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Will the a$~#~!*s Guardians of the Galaxy show up?


Krensky wrote:
She couldn't enter the Academy at 16. To enter a US service academy you must be between 17 and 23 on July 1st of the year you are enrolling. This is a legal requirement and can't be waived.

Well, then add a year to the list. It's still possible she could be a Colonel with a LOT of awards and recognition by 32, though more likely around 35-38.

Quick lookup shows she'd be around 29 in 2018. More like the age of a Major, though with Hollywood and how they like to do things, it could fit barely in some Hollywood minds.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.
It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...

Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.

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Not in the MCU.
MCU does not have to conform to the 70 something years of marvel comics. It can pick and choose the best part of all incarnations to include.

And I love that.

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.
It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.

I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service. Officers (such as pilots) probably stay longer (17-27) but sometimes they don't even last that long as they're poached by various airlines... etc. I've seen colonels in their mid-thirties, but that is exceptional and those tend to be 110% focused/driven individuals who have no life at all outside the career thing... very stern people... that are no fun at all... and take everything way too seriously...

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Not many people choose to go career military.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.
It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.
I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service.

They may still be 'veterans' but they're generally not 'colonels,' or even 'majors.'

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There is also the less well known category of officers who get promoted so that they are taken out of field situations and put behind a desk... far and at a safe distance from men so that there is no chance they will keep issuing unsafe or reckless orders... or to hide their gross incompetence...

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Orfamay Quest wrote:
They may still be 'veterans' but they're generally not 'colonels,' or even 'majors.'

Yes: I amended my post but you beat me to it. However, for the sake of a Marvel movie about a character that is kinda minor in a Marvel universe kinda way, I'm not really going to get offended at the young age of Larson/Danvers... :P


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
There is also the less well known category of officers who get promoted so that they are taken out of field situations and put behind a desk... far and at a safe distance from men so that there is no chance they will keep issuing unsafe or reckless orders... or to hide their gross incompetence...

My understanding is that particular category is very rare, largely because you don't need to promote someone in order to reassign them. If someone's incompetent as a company commander, just ship them to the finance department or the HR department. Someone needs to supervise the guys who count bullets and cans of Spam.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.
It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.
I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service. Officers (such as pilots) probably stay longer (17-27) but sometimes they don't even last that long as they're poached by various airlines... etc. I've seen colonels in their mid-thirties, but that is exceptional and those tend to be 110% focused/driven individuals who have no life at all outside the career thing... very stern people... that are no fun at all... and take everything way too seriously...

Which describes classic Carol Danvers to a T.


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It's a comic book movie. The likely age of a fictional superhero who is probably ex-military and might have held a high rank (or not, because none of that is confirmed for the MCU) is the weirdest thing to get concerned about realism over.

If they specify any rank at all, I'd expect it to be captain, to go with the whole "Captain" Marvel thing. (Different in the comics since she didn't call herself Captain Marvel until decades after her introduction and after going by many different superhero names and in homage to the original Kree Captain Marvel, not in any reference to her military service.)

Near as I can tell in the comics, Carol is the usual sort of generic early 30s age most non-kid superheroes get. And has been throughout her career. Handwave some justification for her being the rank you want and accept it. It's a comic book movie.

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She could be a lieutenant colonel. Like Rhodey.


I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.

As for her age, I think Marvel is taking the long game and casting a young (and to some extent not MAJOR hollywood celebrity) so they can get a lot of future movies out of her. They really don't want her aging out of the role.

At any rate, so far all there casting has been spot on. I have no doubt that Brie Larson will do as awesome a job as Cap Marvel as Chad Boseman did with Black Panther (Another actor without a lot of action hero roles or comparative name recognition).


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MMCJawa wrote:

I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.

And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?

And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.

You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.


thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?

And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.

You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.

If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.

I want to see a Jade Genius/Doc Green movie.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?

And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.

You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.

If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.

a la "Council of Reeds"?

I... Like it.

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thejeff wrote:
Brood storyline

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?

And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.

You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.

If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.

I want to see a Jade Genius/Doc Green movie.

She's nothing compared to Hank Pym. Dude can't seem to go for a full story arc without switching up his code-name.


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thejeff wrote:
It's a comic book movie. The likely age of a fictional superhero who is probably ex-military and might have held a high rank (or not, because none of that is confirmed for the MCU) is the weirdest thing to get concerned about realism over.

It's weird what little inconsistencies pull you out of a narrative. The closer they can get all the real life details, the more the audience will likely accept or ignore the big stuff (like how her superstrength or energy-channeling powers would work with real-life physics).

thejeff wrote:

If they specify any rank at all, I'd expect it to be captain, to go with the whole "Captain" Marvel thing. (Different in the comics since she didn't call herself Captain Marvel until decades after her introduction and after going by many different superhero names and in homage to the original Kree Captain Marvel, not in any reference to her military service.)

Near as I can tell in the comics, Carol is the usual sort of generic early 30s age most non-kid superheroes get. And has been throughout her career. Handwave some justification for her being the rank you want and accept it. It's a comic book movie.

I kinda figure they make her a combat pilot who has served a couple tours in the Middle East/Afghanistan (Gulmira?)/wherever. Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel" (she's supposed to be pretty darn good)? If she was in Eastern military hot-spots, she may have already met Stark (cameo) and/or worked with Rhodes. If she was in Special Operations/military intelligence, she and Widow (cameo) might know of each other (or have met). I don't know if they'll use the Psyche-Magnitron in her origin, but I imagine they'll stick with her powers being derived from Kree superscience.

Edit: Depending on Marvel's plans for Banner after Age of Ultron and Thor: Ragnarok, they could bring in Banner cameo to study/help Danvers with her energy-manipulation abilities.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.

And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?

oh please oh please oh please oh please....


Freehold DM wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.

And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?
oh please oh please oh please oh please....

Nah. As long as Fox holds the licensing for the X-Franchising and makes money with it, there won't be any crossovers. Besides, they aren't going to build up Danvers as a solo lead heroine only to have a marginal heroine in the X-Movies steal her powers and mind.

Personally, I'd like movieRogue to have more character development and get bumped to first string status in the X-Movies, but not at the cost to movieDanvers.


MARGINAL?!

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Id like movie rogue to actually be freaking rogue and not some tortured goth kid.

Where is the smarth mouthed southern belle we know and love?


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"

I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D

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In the comics.


Hitdice wrote:
MARGINAL?!

She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.

Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?
oh please oh please oh please oh please....

Nah. As long as Fox holds the licensing for the X-Franchising and makes money with it, there won't be any crossovers. Besides, they aren't going to build up Danvers as a solo lead heroine only to have a marginal heroine in the X-Movies steal her powers and mind.

Personally, I'd like movieRogue to have more character development and get bumped to first string status in the X-Movies, but not at the cost to movieDanvers.

Well, as long as the "cost" to movie Danvers is a set up and lead in to the movie and re-empowering, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

No way they'd actually do it, even without the licensing issues, but it would be cool.


Hama wrote:
In the comics.

Does that make it less valid?

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I was hoping for Kaite Sackoff. But I'm glad that Cap. Marvel will be in Infinity wars.


Qstor wrote:
I was hoping for Kaite Sackoff. But I'm glad that Cap. Marvel will be in Infinity wars.

If I can fan-cast a role of Amanda Tapping in the movie as a colonel for USAF military intelligence, I can find a spot for Katee Sackhoff (and Grace Park) too.


Randarak wrote:
Hama wrote:
In the comics.
Does that make it less valid?

Given everything else that's changing, not something they have to stick to.

Marvel name's gotta come from somewhere, since it's not a homage to the great hero, the Kree Captain Mar-vell - unless they're doing a lot more backstory than I expect.

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What thejeff said.


Wouldn't be the first time that something that seemed obvious wasn't the path that was taken (just ask every GM ever about their players).


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
MARGINAL?!

She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.

Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.

Indeed she does; from the moment she climbed into Wolvie's truck I was all, "That's supposed to be Kitty. Kitty Pride has that relationship with Wolverine," but no one listened. :(

I don't think Rogue showing up to steal her powers in a remote possibility, it's just totally weird that Quicksilver is the only character to show up in both movie series. Beast is supposed to join the fricken Avengers, okay?! :P


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
MARGINAL?!

She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.

Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.

Very little in common may be a good thing. Rogue is one of those characters I never felt they handled consistently when I was reading the X-books.


Hitdice wrote:


Indeed she does; from the moment she climbed into Wolvie's truck I was all, "That's supposed to be Kitty. Kitty Pride has that relationship with Wolverine," but no one listened. :(

Rogue has filled that role on occasion as well. She's, potentially, a better fit for it, in many ways, that Kitty was.


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Spoilered for the sake of those who don't want on topic geekery diluted with conflicting flavors of geekery:
I don't know, granted I'm speaking as a Claremont reader, but all the things that made Rogue a cool character in her own right removed the need for Wolverine as a big brother type surrogate parent. Kitty was young and inexperienced when she joined the X-men and Rogue just wasn't.

Of course, given that they've replaced the entire cast of X-men with a younger generation of actors, I'd love to see a younger Rogue show up and have that relation ship with Mystique, but, y'know, X-men grognard.


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Krensky wrote:
I thought the dead Kree in Tahiti was Mar-vell?

There's no indication that was anything other than a Blue Kree.


Hitdice wrote:
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Rogue stuff:
Rogue was actually pretty young and inexperienced when she joined. Not quite Kitty Pryde level, but still naive. Just covering it all with ex-supervillian bravado. In that continuity, it would work better having that kind of relationship with Mystique, but with all the twisted nastiness that using it to manipulate her into being a villain would entail.

If you're going to do Rogue without having her start as a villain and particularly without having mindf&%$ed Carol, she could quite easily wind up in that kind of role with Wolverine.


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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Yeah, and most of Rogue's famed brashness/bravado comes from Carol Danvers, not Rogue herself. Which makes a lot of sense psychologically...that type of personality is pretty unlikely to develop in a teenager who sucks the life out of people whenever she touches them. That's why movie Rogue's personality never bothered me...it seems much more appropriate for a Rogue that never sucked up Danvers' personality.


thejeff wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
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I just won't let it go, but I'm willing to spoiler it:
Jeff, you don't have to speak in the hypothetical. The difference you're describing is the difference between Claremont's character and the one in the first movie. My point is, Rogue is a stronger character in Claremont's comics than she is in the movies. That's not a complaint about her characterization so much as about the number of characters that had to be included in any movie titled X-Men.

Though, full disclosure, I just saw Avengers: Age of Ultron this weekend, and by the end of it I felt like it should have been titled Avengers: Wait, All of Them? That's Too Many Cameos, whereas I found Ant-Man pleasantly limited in scope.

Yes, I watched the Comic-Con Geekend on Starz Encore, so sue me.


Hitdice wrote:

Rogue stuff:
Not just of too many characters, but of trying to use a character without the actual backstory that developed the character. You couldn't use Claremont's Rogue without Mystique's adopting her into the Brotherhood and draining Carol. And you couldn't really justify that without having Carol as an established character. Much of that initial characterization and conflict bringing Rogue onto the team worked because the X-Men had ties to Carol - developed while she recovered from Rogue's attack.

When it works, it's one of the great joys of a serialized story. You can develop depth in ways you can't in any shorter form. Certainly not in a single movie.


I agree with all of that, but I didn't say any of it. :P


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Randarak wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"
I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D

I know it doesn't fit her canon comics background, but I'd love if Danvers was post-combat tours and now a test pilot in the mold of Yeager.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Randarak wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"
I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D
I know it doesn't fit her canon comics background, but I'd love if Danvers was post-combat tours and now a test pilot in the mold of Yeager.

Aw, I thought the link was gonna be to Yeager. (Just read the book, you'll get the joke.)

Liberty's Edge

Probably hedging too close to the distinguished competition's Hal, even if Chuck is part of her inspiration.


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In ANY case!

Kelly Sue DeConnick is in support of this choice with her first choice being a 1983 Kathleen Turner. Which is kind of hard to do now without a 1985 Deloran with a Flux Capacitor.


This is great news to me, I love Captain Marvel as a character (Carol Danvers, not the alien Mar-Vell), and I really like Brie Larson as an actress. AND she's hot too.

I'd love to see a guest appearance in the upcoming GotG 2 movie, but I know that's not happening. Bummer.

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