| GreyWolfLord |
She couldn't enter the Academy at 16. To enter a US service academy you must be between 17 and 23 on July 1st of the year you are enrolling. This is a legal requirement and can't be waived.
Well, then add a year to the list. It's still possible she could be a Colonel with a LOT of awards and recognition by 32, though more likely around 35-38.
Quick lookup shows she'd be around 29 in 2018. More like the age of a Major, though with Hollywood and how they like to do things, it could fit barely in some Hollywood minds.
| Drahliana Moonrunner |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.
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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service. Officers (such as pilots) probably stay longer (17-27) but sometimes they don't even last that long as they're poached by various airlines... etc. I've seen colonels in their mid-thirties, but that is exceptional and those tend to be 110% focused/driven individuals who have no life at all outside the career thing... very stern people... that are no fun at all... and take everything way too seriously...
| Orfamay Quest |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service.Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
They may still be 'veterans' but they're generally not 'colonels,' or even 'majors.'
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They may still be 'veterans' but they're generally not 'colonels,' or even 'majors.'
Yes: I amended my post but you beat me to it. However, for the sake of a Marvel movie about a character that is kinda minor in a Marvel universe kinda way, I'm not really going to get offended at the young age of Larson/Danvers... :P
| Orfamay Quest |
There is also the less well known category of officers who get promoted so that they are taken out of field situations and put behind a desk... far and at a safe distance from men so that there is no chance they will keep issuing unsafe or reckless orders... or to hide their gross incompetence...
My understanding is that particular category is very rare, largely because you don't need to promote someone in order to reassign them. If someone's incompetent as a company commander, just ship them to the finance department or the HR department. Someone needs to supervise the guys who count bullets and cans of Spam.
| Drahliana Moonrunner |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:I get what you're saying but a lot of people have the misconception that veterans are old; the truth is that most people do their 3 year service from age 17 to 20 and they're still 'veterans' when if they elect to leave the military after that initial service. Officers (such as pilots) probably stay longer (17-27) but sometimes they don't even last that long as they're poached by various airlines... etc. I've seen colonels in their mid-thirties, but that is exceptional and those tend to be 110% focused/driven individuals who have no life at all outside the career thing... very stern people... that are no fun at all... and take everything way too seriously...Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Female stunt doubles ARE a thing.Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:The thing is... Carol Danvers is like Wolverine... she's a veteran in both the superhero world, and in the old-school black ops world as well. I'd prefer an actress that reflects that maturity.It might be a bit hard on Susan Sarandon's knees though...
Which describes classic Carol Danvers to a T.
| thejeff |
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It's a comic book movie. The likely age of a fictional superhero who is probably ex-military and might have held a high rank (or not, because none of that is confirmed for the MCU) is the weirdest thing to get concerned about realism over.
If they specify any rank at all, I'd expect it to be captain, to go with the whole "Captain" Marvel thing. (Different in the comics since she didn't call herself Captain Marvel until decades after her introduction and after going by many different superhero names and in homage to the original Kree Captain Marvel, not in any reference to her military service.)
Near as I can tell in the comics, Carol is the usual sort of generic early 30s age most non-kid superheroes get. And has been throughout her career. Handwave some justification for her being the rank you want and accept it. It's a comic book movie.
| MMCJawa |
I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
As for her age, I think Marvel is taking the long game and casting a young (and to some extent not MAJOR hollywood celebrity) so they can get a lot of future movies out of her. They really don't want her aging out of the role.
At any rate, so far all there casting has been spot on. I have no doubt that Brie Larson will do as awesome a job as Cap Marvel as Chad Boseman did with Black Panther (Another actor without a lot of action hero roles or comparative name recognition).
| thejeff |
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MMCJawa wrote:I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?
And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.
You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.
| Drahliana Moonrunner |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.
You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.
If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.
I want to see a Jade Genius/Doc Green movie.
| Patrick C. |
thejeff wrote:If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.
You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.
a la "Council of Reeds"?
I... Like it.
| Norman Osborne |
thejeff wrote:Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?And then they can do the Brood storyline in a Guardians movie.
You could have an entire metaplot around Carol Danvers life history.
If they could bring all of Carol Danvers incarnations together, she'd be an Avengers league all by herself.
I want to see a Jade Genius/Doc Green movie.
She's nothing compared to Hank Pym. Dude can't seem to go for a full story arc without switching up his code-name.
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It's a comic book movie. The likely age of a fictional superhero who is probably ex-military and might have held a high rank (or not, because none of that is confirmed for the MCU) is the weirdest thing to get concerned about realism over.
It's weird what little inconsistencies pull you out of a narrative. The closer they can get all the real life details, the more the audience will likely accept or ignore the big stuff (like how her superstrength or energy-channeling powers would work with real-life physics).
If they specify any rank at all, I'd expect it to be captain, to go with the whole "Captain" Marvel thing. (Different in the comics since she didn't call herself Captain Marvel until decades after her introduction and after going by many different superhero names and in homage to the original Kree Captain Marvel, not in any reference to her military service.)
Near as I can tell in the comics, Carol is the usual sort of generic early 30s age most non-kid superheroes get. And has been throughout her career. Handwave some justification for her being the rank you want and accept it. It's a comic book movie.
I kinda figure they make her a combat pilot who has served a couple tours in the Middle East/Afghanistan (Gulmira?)/wherever. Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel" (she's supposed to be pretty darn good)? If she was in Eastern military hot-spots, she may have already met Stark (cameo) and/or worked with Rhodes. If she was in Special Operations/military intelligence, she and Widow (cameo) might know of each other (or have met). I don't know if they'll use the Psyche-Magnitron in her origin, but I imagine they'll stick with her powers being derived from Kree superscience.
Edit: Depending on Marvel's plans for Banner after Age of Ultron and Thor: Ragnarok, they could bring in Banner cameo to study/help Danvers with her energy-manipulation abilities.
| Ambrosia Slaad |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:oh please oh please oh please oh please....MMCJawa wrote:And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.
Nah. As long as Fox holds the licensing for the X-Franchising and makes money with it, there won't be any crossovers. Besides, they aren't going to build up Danvers as a solo lead heroine only to have a marginal heroine in the X-Movies steal her powers and mind.
Personally, I'd like movieRogue to have more character development and get bumped to first string status in the X-Movies, but not at the cost to movieDanvers.
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Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"
I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D
| Ambrosia Slaad |
MARGINAL?!
She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.
Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.
| thejeff |
Freehold DM wrote:Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:oh please oh please oh please oh please....MMCJawa wrote:I am guessing she will get her powers during the first Infinity Wars, possibly as a result of some infinity stone hijinks.And then Rogue steals them in the X-Men movie that shows afterwards?Nah. As long as Fox holds the licensing for the X-Franchising and makes money with it, there won't be any crossovers. Besides, they aren't going to build up Danvers as a solo lead heroine only to have a marginal heroine in the X-Movies steal her powers and mind.
Personally, I'd like movieRogue to have more character development and get bumped to first string status in the X-Movies, but not at the cost to movieDanvers.
Well, as long as the "cost" to movie Danvers is a set up and lead in to the movie and re-empowering, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
No way they'd actually do it, even without the licensing issues, but it would be cool.
| thejeff |
Hama wrote:In the comics.Does that make it less valid?
Given everything else that's changing, not something they have to stick to.
Marvel name's gotta come from somewhere, since it's not a homage to the great hero, the Kree Captain Mar-vell - unless they're doing a lot more backstory than I expect.
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Hitdice wrote:MARGINAL?!She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.
Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.
Indeed she does; from the moment she climbed into Wolvie's truck I was all, "That's supposed to be Kitty. Kitty Pride has that relationship with Wolverine," but no one listened. :(
I don't think Rogue showing up to steal her powers in a remote possibility, it's just totally weird that Quicksilver is the only character to show up in both movie series. Beast is supposed to join the fricken Avengers, okay?! :P
| Bill Dunn |
Hitdice wrote:MARGINAL?!She was a co-lead in the first movie, but Singer & the writers started shifting her to background ever since. I like Rogue, but the X-Movies don't do her or the non-Mystique heroines justice.
Edit: In the first movie, all she really does is 1) act as an anchor to humanity for Wolverine, and 2) act as a MacGuffin to borrow Magneto's powers for his plot. She has very little in common with the beloved Rogue from the comics.
Very little in common may be a good thing. Rogue is one of those characters I never felt they handled consistently when I was reading the X-books.
| Bill Dunn |
Indeed she does; from the moment she climbed into Wolvie's truck I was all, "That's supposed to be Kitty. Kitty Pride has that relationship with Wolverine," but no one listened. :(
Rogue has filled that role on occasion as well. She's, potentially, a better fit for it, in many ways, that Kitty was.
| Hitdice |
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Of course, given that they've replaced the entire cast of X-men with a younger generation of actors, I'd love to see a younger Rogue show up and have that relation ship with Mystique, but, y'know, X-men grognard.
| thejeff |
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| Norman Osborne |
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Yeah, and most of Rogue's famed brashness/bravado comes from Carol Danvers, not Rogue herself. Which makes a lot of sense psychologically...that type of personality is pretty unlikely to develop in a teenager who sucks the life out of people whenever she touches them. That's why movie Rogue's personality never bothered me...it seems much more appropriate for a Rogue that never sucked up Danvers' personality.
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Though, full disclosure, I just saw Avengers: Age of Ultron this weekend, and by the end of it I felt like it should have been titled Avengers: Wait, All of Them? That's Too Many Cameos, whereas I found Ant-Man pleasantly limited in scope.
Yes, I watched the Comic-Con Geekend on Starz Encore, so sue me.
| thejeff |
Rogue stuff:Not just of too many characters, but of trying to use a character without the actual backstory that developed the character. You couldn't use Claremont's Rogue without Mystique's adopting her into the Brotherhood and draining Carol. And you couldn't really justify that without having Carol as an established character. Much of that initial characterization and conflict bringing Rogue onto the team worked because the X-Men had ties to Carol - developed while she recovered from Rogue's attack. When it works, it's one of the great joys of a serialized story. You can develop depth in ways you can't in any shorter form. Certainly not in a single movie.
| Ambrosia Slaad |
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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D
I know it doesn't fit her canon comics background, but I'd love if Danvers was post-combat tours and now a test pilot in the mold of Yeager.
| Hitdice |
Randarak wrote:I know it doesn't fit her canon comics background, but I'd love if Danvers was post-combat tours and now a test pilot in the mold of Yeager.Ambrosia Slaad wrote:Maybe as a pilot, her call sign was "Marvel"I was uncertain of my memory, and had to look it up, but her call sign was "Cheeseburger" :-D
Aw, I thought the link was gonna be to Yeager. (Just read the book, you'll get the joke.)