Is it possible to dispel the effects of a control weather spell, when you are within the affected area, but otherwise nowhere near the caster or point of origin?
You can also use a targeted dispel to specifically end one spell affecting the target or one spell affecting an area (such as a wall of fire). You must name the specific spell effect to be targeted in this way. If your caster level check is equal to or higher than the DC of that spell, it ends. No other spells or effects on the target are dispelled if your check is not high enough to end the targeted effect.
Looks like it
So you must identify the spell effect first then?
So all I have to do as GM is be vague about what my players are experiencing in order to rule the encounter? That's good. Wouldn't want them ruining my story.
;-P JK
Is it possible to dispel the effects of a control weather spell, when you are within the affected area, but otherwise nowhere near the caster or point of origin?
I don't see why the dispel magic spells range would change just for Control Weather.
Since you only need range to the spell effect to dispel it, and you stated your in the spell effect, you should be able to try to dispel.
Much like trying to dispel a wall of fire your standing in.
That said and as pointed out earlier, you would need to know a control weather spell was in effect to target it to dispel.
You don't need to be vague in any way. Simply tell them the weather and what is going on with it. Unless they use detect magic and spell craft they have 0 reason to think the weather is not natural.
If the weather acts so weird (which is in your control) that they get suspicious and use detect magic and spellcraft then treat it like any other spell effect that they may be inside.
You could use Magic to detrmine if the weather is out of the ordinary or use the survival skill to predict the weather (DC 15+5 per day in advance). If you need justification for determining whether or not the weather is being magically influence and warrants further investigation.
I'm curious if it's actually possible to dispel the weather... You could end the spell that allows the weather to be controlled, but the tornado in itself isn't magical. The spell allows you to change the weather appropriate for the season... but that's not actually like magically CREATING the weather. Not an illusion or a summoning... It's just changing the conditions of the area to create various weather conditions.
If I made it cloudy and rainy... and the spell ends, then I wouldn't be able to change it anymore... but it should still be rainy and cloudy.
It can be dispelled to end the weather. The weather only lasts as long as the spell is in effect as per the description.
The weather continues as you left it for the duration, or until you use a standard action to designate a new kind of weather (which fully manifests itself 10 minutes later). Contradictory conditions are not possible simultaneously.
Meaning if you end the spell via dispel (I.e. it has no more duration) all accompanying weather effects vanish.
That's a good point, Phantom!
Even if I let them dispel the effects, the weather will likely force some nasty concentration checks. :)
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Dispel Magic
Target or Area one spellcaster, creature, or object
You can use dispel magic to end one ongoing spell that has been cast on a creature or object, to temporarily suppress the magical abilities of a magic item, or to counter another spellcaster's spell.
Control weather is a spellcaster? No.
A creature? No.An object? No.
So you can't use Dispel magic can't target control weather so it can't be used to dispel it.
Dispel magic is different from previous editions, it can't affect an ongoing area spell.
Dispel Magic, Greater
Target or Area one spellcaster, creature, or object; or a 20-ft.-radius burst
Area Dispel: When greater dispel magic is used in this way, the spell affects everything within a 20-foot-radius burst. Roll one dispel check and apply that check to each creature in the area, as if targeted by dispel magic. For each object within the area that is the target of one or more spells, apply the dispel check as with creatures. Magic items are not affected by an area dispel.
For each ongoing area or effect spell whose point of origin is within the area of the greater dispel magic spell, apply the dispel check to dispel the spell. For each ongoing spell whose area overlaps that of the greater dispel magic spell, apply the dispel check to end the effect, but only within the overlapping area.
If an object or creature that is the effect of an ongoing spell (such as a monster summoned by summon monster) is in the area, apply the dispel check to end the spell that conjured that object or creature (returning it whence it came) in addition to attempting to dispel one spell targeting the creature or object.
Greater dispel magic can target and affect an area, but the text is clear: "For each ongoing area or effect spell whose point of origin is within the area of the greater dispel magic spell, apply the dispel check to dispel the spell." So you can dispel Control if you cast greater dispelling on the point of origin of the spell.
The point of origin of control weather is the point where it was originally cast (it is centered on your position at that time, but as it is not a spread or burst originating from you it don't move with you).
Dispel Magic
Target or Area one spellcaster, creature, or object
You can use dispel magic to end one ongoing spell that has been cast on a creature or object, to temporarily suppress the magical abilities of a magic item, or to counter another spellcaster's spell.
Control weather is a spellcaster? No.
A creature? No.
An object? No.So you can't use Dispel magic can't target control weather so it can't be used to dispel it.
Dispel magic is different from previous editions, it can't affect an ongoing area spell.
Except for the part where it says it can. Emphasis mine
You can also use a targeted dispel to specifically end one spell affecting the target or one spell affecting an area (such as a wall of fire). You must name the specific spell effect to be targeted in this way. If your caster level check is equal to or higher than the DC of that spell, it ends. No other spells or effects on the target are dispelled if your check is not high enough to end the targeted effect.
Furthermore this is different than an area dispel it is a targeted dispel. If you specifically target Control weather you do not need to be within the point of origin merely within range of the spell's effects. But it has the added burden of having to name the specific spell in effect.