Hi,
I have a bunch of Core campaign characters that, at some point along the way, have been switched to Standard campaign somehow. Is there any way I could get this switched back in the reporting system? They have not played in a single Standard game, but it may have been reported that way. The applicable characters are -50, -52, and -53 (I made all 50+ characters be Core so it's easy to distinguish).
There are many GMs that have shown concern that having my characters not being Core for reporting purposes might be switching other characters to Standard, to the point of refusing to report for that character number to prevent propagation (an issue I plan to fix myself if the characters' campaign status gets fixed).
Thanks!
Hey Yiroep,
First to clear up what has become something of an urban legend. Having an RPG character in a Core game does not convert the other characters (we verified, just in case there was a bug). All that happens is the RPG character does not receive credit.
So far every mystery conversion case I've investigated has been because the GM accidently reported the session using the RPG version of the scenario instead of the Core. It's not maliciously intended, and they generally convert it back when they realize, but at that point the damage has been done. If you find your character mysterious converted, just ping customer service or organized play and we can research and revert the character if appropriate.
Now, looking at your characters:
-50: This character has only played Core games, I've reverted them back to Core status.
-52: This character was played in 2 RPG games. Both on October 17th, 2015. Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep The Accursed Hall (RPG) and Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep - The Forgotten Laboratory (RPG). Playing a Core character in an RPG game converts them to RPG (otherwise folks could cherry pick non-Core items and bring them back to Core games). So this character is legitimately RPG
-53: Has no reported session. Are you sure you created the character as Core? As no sessions have been reported for the character I'm not sure how it would have been converted.
Thanks for the response!
-52: It seems that the two Thornkeep games were reported as Standard, but they were certainly Core. Probably a reporting problem there. I know who reported it and can probably talk the reporter about converting that back, although I'm not sure that'll covert my character back to Core or not?
-53: Probably my mistake. XD
I honestly wouldn't care so much (as the chronicle is always more important) if not that GMs online were scared to report characters that were converted somehow to those that weren't (in fear of switching other characters) and started reporting to a different character number so that it's on my account (which I feel is a big no-no). The paragraph explaining that characters don't get converted is actually a huge boon (I though it worked that way, but without official word, there's no convincing).
Again, Thanks!
Converting the sessions from RPG to Core will not auto-revert the characters, but once that's done I can go in and do it manually.
Uhm...why not just insert code in the reporting process to see if all sessions on a character are now core and set the core flag appropriately? Hardly seems like there could be an issue of computational intensity...
Because you can transition a Core character to RPG by playing in an RPG game. This is a planned feature if you wish to move a character into mainstream play. You just are not allowed to go the other direction (for obvious reasons).
Used correctly it give players flexibility. Unfortunately we've had some problems with GM's reporting the wrong version of sessions and inadvertently transitioning characters against their will.
Thanks for the response!
-52: It seems that the two Thornkeep games were reported as Standard, but they were certainly Core. Probably a reporting problem there. I know who reported it and can probably talk the reporter about converting that back, although I'm not sure that'll covert my character back to Core or not?
-53: Probably my mistake. XD
I honestly wouldn't care so much (as the chronicle is always more important) if not that GMs online were scared to report characters that were converted somehow to those that weren't (in fear of switching other characters) and started reporting to a different character number so that it's on my account (which I feel is a big no-no). The paragraph explaining that characters don't get converted is actually a huge boon (I though it worked that way, but without official word, there's no convincing).
Again, Thanks!
Please work with the GM to update the reporting and help them to understand why miss-reporting can cause negative impact to the characters. If reporting a session will cause a Core character to convert to RPG we have a warning displayed before you submit the report. Please help educate the GMs you know to look for that warning and always take care when reporting Core sessions to use the correct scenario. Reverting the scenario will not revert the characters, that has to be done by us manually here at Paizo.
And yes, just to confirm. Having an RPG characters in an Core game will not impact the other characters or the session in any way. They just won't get credit. Not sure where that urban legend started. The way conversions happen is when GMs accidently report the wrong version of the scenario (RPG vs Core). Reverting that mistake does not revert the character (long list of reasons why but primary one is that it could be abused to allow a character to play RPG then get transitioned back to Core, by doing it manually here I can verify the history of the character in question and ensure nothing hinky is going on).
Because you can transition a Core character to RPG by playing in an RPG game. This is a planned feature if you wish to move a character into mainstream play. You just are not allowed to go the other direction (for obvious reasons).
Used correctly it give players flexibility. Unfortunately we've had some problems with GM's reporting the wrong version of sessions and inadvertently transitioning characters against their will.
You misunderstand.
I meant that, in the function which is invoked during reporting, check the play history of a given character. If ALL sessions -- including the one being reported -- are flagged as core, then set the core flag on the character. Otherwise, clear it.
It would prevent you from having to manually update the flag when the reporting changes. ;-)
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Cort, or whomever:
I have a player who played in a standard game, but inadvertently listed her CORE character as the one played. I have corrected the reporting entry so that the correct character has now been reported, but her CORE character is now showing as a STANDARD character.
Could you please reset her character back to core? How do I give you the character number (since it's not one of mine)?
I can't revert the character without the full character number unfortunately.
Yup, received it, all should be well now.
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Hi, This character, 3387-15, Stormy, was created to be core but I fear I failed to create her correctly and she is showing up as standard so DMs are not reporting her play at the core tables I am at. I certify here that I have only played her in core games and would appreciate it if you can reset her to core. I sent an email about this a couple of months back but never heard anything back. Thanks in advance for your help!
At the madness of PaizoCon right now, but I'll repair the character once I'm back in the office.
OK, back at the office and kind-of awake! I've verified your character's Core-only history and performed the required rituals to reset her to Core status. I also updated the reporting so you're not showing warnings anymore. You should be good to go!
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Can I piggy-back on this? Not sure the best way to report this...
I've also noticed this Core character (34572-14) is marked as Standard. I think it was probably because long ago I reported a Standard session GM credit on it, then went back and changed the reporting, but the Standard designation stuck.
Hey Piper,
Official way to report the issue is up through your Venture officers, but this works too.
I've verified the character has only played Core and reverted it back to Core standing, I also updated the reporting so you're receiving credit normally now.
Reporting GM credit for a Core character on an RPG game is probably what converted you. It's a bit of a corner case and I could make a case either way as to whether it should. I'll link up with Tonya when she's back in town and let her decide on what *should* happen and we'll update the code to match her decision, but for now probably best not do that :).