Memorize Page and preparing spells


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Scarab Sages

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I'm looking for some clarity around the spell Memorize Page.

Memorize Page:
Memorize Page wrote:

School enchantment [mind-affecting]; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1

Casting Time 10 minutes
Components V, S, F (the page to be memorized)
Range touch
Target one living creature
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes (harmless)
The target gains a perfect memory of the page you used as a focus component. The target can visualize this page as easily as looking at it in person, including minute details visible to close scrutiny by the naked eye. The memory of the page includes text and images, such as a drawing or a map. Someone unfamiliar with the language on the page (or even an illiterate person) could relay what is written simply by copying the shapes of the letters so another person can read them.

The maximum number of pages that a particular target can memorize through repeated castings of this spell is equal to the target's Intelligence modifier (minimum 1); any attempts beyond this limit have no effect, although the target's memory of a page could be erased (using modify memory or a similar effect) to effectively make room for a different one.

A creature that memorizes magical writing (such as a scroll or a page from a spellbook) cannot borrow, duplicate, or retain any of the magic in the writing. However, this spell would allow a wizard to copy a spell into his spellbook so he could prepare it from his book (assuming the spell takes up only one page in a spell book).

So, can a prepared caster, like a Wizard, prepare a spell that they have memorized with Memorize Page without their spell book?

Can an Arcanist prepare a spell that they have memorized with Memorize Page without their spell book? And can they use Quick Study to swap a prepared spell for one they have memorized with Memorize Page without having access to their spell book?

Grand Lodge

Nope, the spell itself says that the answer is no.

Quote:
A creature that memorizes magical writing (such as a scroll or a page from a spellbook) cannot borrow, duplicate, or retain any of the magic in the writing. However, this spell would allow a wizard to copy a spell into his spellbook so he could prepare it from his book (assuming the spell takes up only one page in a spell book).

Even if you are a Wizard or Arcanist, and have cast this spell to put a first level spell into your memory permanently, you cannot prepare it from there.

However, if you can access the right materials, including the 10 gp in special inks, etc., and a book that can be used for it, spellbook, traveling spellbook, blessed book, etc., you can scribe it into the book, then prepare it form that book as normal.

Overall, while similar in some ways, the feat Spell Mastery, for once, is better. Much better, actually, since it allows you to not only be able to rescribe the spells memorized if needed, but to prepare the spells it allows from memory without needing them written down.

Scarab Sages

It's the "cannot borrow, duplicate, or retain any of the magic in the writing" I'm not sure about. Does that actually mean you can't prepare the spell? It's entirely possible, which is why I asked. It would have been much clearer if they'd just said you can't prepare spells from the memorized pages. I guess it's probably back to the drawing board. I'm trying to avoid having to take out my spellbook before using Quick Study with my Arcanist to make it more useful in combat.

I'd forgotten about Spell Mastery. That is, basically, what I'd like to do. I don't think I can fit the feat into my build, though. I may just have to deal with the slow action economy of spending a move action to take out the book, then a full round to use Quick Study.

Would a Ring of Spell Knowledge work for an Arcanist? I'm still very confused about when an Arcanist is considered a spontaneous caster and when they are considered prepared. I think it's like this:

"Feats and other effects that modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster instead affect the number of spells an arcanist can prepare."

Pear of Power - Doesn't work at all for an Arcanist, because their prepared spells are never expended.
Runestone of Power - Works to add a spell per day (spell slot, not a prepared spell) of the appropriate level.
Page of Spell Knowledge - The quoted line above makes me think they should work, to add the specific spell as a prepared spell. However, Spell Lattices exist.
Spell Lattice - Priced the same as the Page of Spell Knowledge and they specifically call out the Arcanist. So does its existence mean the Pages don't work?
Mnemonic Vestment - The quoted line above makes me think it should work, but Spell Lattice confuses things again.
Ring of Spell Knowledge - The quoted line above makes me think it should work, but Spell Lattice confuses things once more.

Grand Lodge

Interesting typo, Pear of Power. Sounds scrumptious. ;)

But, yeah, Spell Lattices are the fly in the ointment.

One thing to think about, is getting a couple of bandoleers, and filling them with lattices for the spells you are most likely to want. No digging for them, although a handy haversack would remove the AoO...

Whether you can use them in the bandoleer just by touching them, or have to pull them out, though, is probably an ETV.

Scarab Sages

Ok, HERE is a message from Mark Seifter unofficially confirming yes to Runestones and Spell Lattices, no to Pearls (and Pears!) of Power and Pages of Spell Knowledge.

So that leaves Rings of Spell Knowledge and Mnemonic Vestments. I'll keep searching.

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