Griffon as a bonded Mount Stats?


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Hello all,

A player in my gaming group is a 10th level Paladin. He recently took the leadership feat and the DM allowed him to have a Griffon as his cohort and is willing to let him use it as his bonded mount.

There is a bit of confusion as to what it's stats would be. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.


Use the stats for the Griffon monstrous mount.

Griffon Monstrous Companion wrote:

[PFS Legal] Griffon

Source Inner Sea Combat pg. 14 (Amazon)
Monster Entry Link

Prerequisites Diplomacy, Intimidate, or Handle Animal 5 ranks; Ride 5 ranks
Starting Statistics: Size Large; Speed 30 ft., fly 40 ft. (average; unable to carry a rider while flying); AC +4 natural armor; Attack bite (1d6); Ability Scores Str 16, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 5, Wis 13, Cha 8; Special Qualities darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision, scent; Languages Common (cannot speak).

7th-Level Advancement: AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d6), 2 talons (1d6); Speed 40 ft., fly 80 ft. (average; unable to carry a ride while flying); Ability Scores Str +2, Con +2; Special Attacks pounce, rake (1d6).

Mastery (7th Level) The griffon can carry a rider while flying, but reduces its fly speed by half while doing so.

You first need the Monstrous Companion feat to even qualify for a griffon. Then you need the Monstrous Mount Mastery feat for said griffon to be able to fly while you are mounted.


OldSkoolRPG wrote:
You first need the Monstrous Companion feat to even qualify for a griffon. Then you need the Monstrous Mount Mastery feat for said griffon to be able to fly while you are mounted.

Isn't that feat for animal companions gained through a class feature? He's getting his as a cohort, so I don't think it's needed. Good source for stats though. I would use the 7th-level version from the get-go.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
OldSkoolRPG wrote:
You first need the Monstrous Companion feat to even qualify for a griffon. Then you need the Monstrous Mount Mastery feat for said griffon to be able to fly while you are mounted.
Isn't that feat for animal companions gained through a class feature? He's getting his as a cohort, so I don't think it's needed. Good source for stats though. I would use the 7th-level version from the get-go.

OP explicitly said the GM was allowing the Paladin to take the griffon as a bonded mount.

OP wrote:
He recently took the leadership feat and the DM allowed him to have a Griffon as his cohort and is willing to let him use it as his bonded mount.

Getting it as a cohort is one thing but getting it as a bonded mount has other requirements. If it is just a cohort than it just gets the stats of the griffon in the bestiary. If he wants it to be a bonded mount then uses the rules for such.


Okay, but in that case he shouldn't be blowing the Leadership feat on it too. What good is it doing? It better not give the griffon class levels if it's already getting a bonded mount's progression.


Right. Completely agree.


The 2 of you hit exactly on the confuse I feel. As I understand it the DM is allowing him to skip the Monstrous Companion feat. Thus allowing him to have the followers and griffon from the Leadership Feat. I guess he didn't want to over tax him on feats. DM's call there.

I don't think the intent was to give him class levels and bonded mount progression. Or maybe it was. I'll ask him later today.

Which of the 2 would be better or more appropriate in your opinion?


Honestly, we're down to GM fiat here. If your GM says it is a bonded mount and should advance as such, then that's how it goes. As a Bonded Mount it should use the Griifon stat block from the Monstrous Mount feat with normal Animal Companion advancement.


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If the DM tells him to pick one or the other, I'd probably go for the cohort. Getting the celestial template when the paladin hits 11th would be sweet for the DR, but class levels just rock. Like most monster cohorts it should probably go fighter.

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