Catfolk / Human Crossbreed?

[World's Okayest DM]

Right, so the campaign I am in has a human and a catfolk in love with one another and the group is interested in playing the current troupe's children when this campaign is over with. So, with that being said:

Would a human and Catfolk result in a) all human, b) all Catfolk, c) a mix of the two, or d) something along the lines of a Mi'qo'te (from the Final Fantasy series - basically human with cat ears, eyes, whiskers and fangs and perhaps a tail - I'm not terribly clear on that).

There are half-elves, so half-Catfolk sounds about right (the Mi'qo'te idea), but I know of alternate ideas where the children are all one or the other.

Just curious what everyone thinks.

And yeah, my campaigns generally take place over generations. That's what makes the games epic...

[CorvusMask]

Again I ask: Why does nobody consider adoption? :P Too much value put it "bloodlines".

Anyway, short version: Thats like asking if ratfolk and human can breed. Or ratfolk and catfolk. Aka not really.

Another version: Even if they can(whether through magic or not), unless there is official half race the kids would just be same race as mother.

[David knott 242]

Since the Catfolk race doesn't seem to offer much in the way of more human-like traits, I would probably go with a human and give that character the Adoptive Parentage (Catfolk) racial feature, the Racial Heritage (Catfolk) feat, or both.

Or, given the variation in catfolk appearance, you could just play a catfolk with the most human looking appearance possible to reflect the influence of your human parent. I would probably avoid racial features like Cat's Claws in this case.

[SilvercatMoonpaw]

How "cat" are we talking? Because Pathfinder has presented both catgirl kind and fully-on furry kind, and you might have even done something different.

I say don't have one form: why should all hybrids be the same? Whoever's going to play anime fanboy's dream kids should get to decide how much "cat" they want. If two or more go for it and decide to play differing amounts of parental resemblance that's RP fodder right there.

[Deadmanwalking]

In Golarion, it's been stated that Catfolk look like the one in the Bestiary. Which is to say they're pretty much already looking like Mi'qo'te.

So...in Golarion, they'd need to wind up looking even more human than that.

Personally, I'd say they can't interbreed without magic.

[CorvusMask]

Actually, in Inner Sea Races they kinda gave up and made it official that Golarion catfolks range from catlike to catgirlish.

Apparently they figured out that artists will never give consistent catfolk art. So from now on, all different catfolk art are official regardless of writer preference xD

[Deadmanwalking]

CorvusMask wrote:

Actually, in Inner Sea Races they kinda gave up and made it official that Golarion catfolks range from catlike to catgirlish.

Apparently they figured out that artists will never give consistent catfolk art. So from now on, all different catfolk art are official regardless of writer preference xD

Realy? Huh. Guess I need to go read the Catfolk section of Inner Sea Races.

[Cole Deschain]

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Realy? Huh. Guess I need to go read the Catfolk section of Inner Sea Races.

If you must...

No current rules exist for generating such a hybrid. Putting my own deep-seated distaste for catfolk on the back-burner, I'd suggest using catfolk as the base template for any such offspring, but loading up on more human Traits and the like and avoiding anything that makes the Catfolk stat package more feline than it already is.

[Mavrickindigo]

Inner Sea Races basically states that any hybrids not mentioned in that book tend not to exist in Golarion (as of now) and any possible mixed-race child would be the result of magic.

It just seems that catfolk and humans are not biologically compatible. Doesn't stop them from loving each other and adopting.

[David knott 242]

I think that the idea of humans being genetically incompatible with any other race is rendered rather silly by the existence of the Racial Heritage feat. The very existence of that feat seems to imply that a human can (for example) have a dwarf grandparent but not a dwarf parent. That would make sense if half-dwarves were some sort of overpowered supermen (like half-celestials/half-fiends vs. aasimars/tieflings), but denying the existence of half-dwarves and the like requires an extremely convoluted backstory for anyone taking the Racial Heritage feat for any race not established as genetically compatible with humans.

Of course, if such combinations are "not possible without magic" -- there is certainly enough magic in Golarion to make this genetic incompatibility not much more of a roadblock than "Both sets of parents would violently disapprove of the pairing".

[Therrux]

Cole Deschain wrote:

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Realy? Huh. Guess I need to go read the Catfolk section of Inner Sea Races.

If you must...

No current rules exist for generating such a hybrid. Putting my own deep-seated distaste for catfolk on the back-burner, I'd suggest using catfolk as the base template for any such offspring, but loading up on more human Traits and the like and avoiding anything that makes the Catfolk stat package more feline than it already is.

There actually are rules for generating a hybrid. Just go by advanced race guide. You figure it out from there.

As for if the two species are genetically compatible I don't think so. But you could use wish or miracle to conceive a child or every now and again angels take notice of couples who normally can't have kids and bless the pair with aasimars.

[Mavrickindigo]

David knott 242 wrote:

I think that the idea of humans being genetically incompatible with any other race is rendered rather silly by the existence of the Racial Heritage feat. The very existence of that feat seems to imply that a human can (for example) have a dwarf grandparent but not a dwarf parent. That would make sense if half-dwarves were some sort of overpowered supermen (like half-celestials/half-fiends vs. aasimars/tieflings), but denying the existence of half-dwarves and the like requires an extremely convoluted backstory for anyone taking the Racial Heritage feat for any race not established as genetically compatible with humans.

Now, was that in a setting book, or a generic Pathfinder product? The core Rulebook says that clerics don't need deities, but Golarion requires deities for their clerics

[David knott 242]

Mavrickindigo wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

I think that the idea of humans being genetically incompatible with any other race is rendered rather silly by the existence of the Racial Heritage feat. The very existence of that feat seems to imply that a human can (for example) have a dwarf grandparent but not a dwarf parent. That would make sense if half-dwarves were some sort of overpowered supermen (like half-celestials/half-fiends vs. aasimars/tieflings), but denying the existence of half-dwarves and the like requires an extremely convoluted backstory for anyone taking the Racial Heritage feat for any race not established as genetically compatible with humans.

Now, was that in a setting book, or a generic Pathfinder product? The core Rulebook says that clerics don't need deities, but Golarion requires deities for their clerics

???

[Deadmanwalking]

David knott 242 wrote:

Mavrickindigo wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

I think that the idea of humans being genetically incompatible with any other race is rendered rather silly by the existence of the Racial Heritage feat. The very existence of that feat seems to imply that a human can (for example) have a dwarf grandparent but not a dwarf parent. That would make sense if half-dwarves were some sort of overpowered supermen (like half-celestials/half-fiends vs. aasimars/tieflings), but denying the existence of half-dwarves and the like requires an extremely convoluted backstory for anyone taking the Racial Heritage feat for any race not established as genetically compatible with humans.

Now, was that in a setting book, or a generic Pathfinder product? The core Rulebook says that clerics don't need deities, but Golarion requires deities for their clerics

???

What? He's right. The core rulebook line and Golarion canon sometimes diverge.

Additionally, as was mentioned above, magic makes all crossbreeds possible. It's always been my impression that Racial Heritage was for situations involving such magic, which seems to follow logically enough. Human + Dwarf having kids? Not without magic. You used magic? Well, the kid's Human with Racial Heritage (Dwarf).