Stacking flight effects


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How are multiple flight effects meant to be stacked, if at all.

Say I am subject of both the gaseous form and fly spells. Does this mean I can fly 60 feet as a move action with perfect maneuverability?


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IMHO they would never stack. If you're gaseous, you obey the limitations of gaseous form, and gain no additional flight abilities, speeds or anything.
BTW, I found out the hard way that critters in gaseous form are supremely vulnerable to most PCs. I learnt only to use that effect (for vampires, for example) when an escape route through a crack was immediately adjacent.


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That particular combo was merely being used as an example. I'm looking for an answer to the general question of how flight rules stack.

If gaseous form is obfuscating matters, instead take a dragon who casts fly on himself. Does he now have a fly speed of 100 feet with good maneuverability?

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I think you can choose to use one form of propulsion, with all of its benefit and drawback or the other, but not the best part of one and the best part of the other.

so your dragon could fly at 60 with good maneuverability or fly at 100 with whatever maneuverability he has as a dragon.


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Diego Rossi wrote:

I think you can choose to use one form of propulsion, with all of its benefit and drawback or the other, but not the best part of one and the best part of the other.

so your dragon could fly at 60 with good maneuverability or fly at 100 with whatever maneuverability he has as a dragon.

Has there been any official clarification or developer input on the matter?

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Ravingdork wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:

I think you can choose to use one form of propulsion, with all of its benefit and drawback or the other, but not the best part of one and the best part of the other.

so your dragon could fly at 60 with good maneuverability or fly at 100 with whatever maneuverability he has as a dragon.

Has there been any official clarification or developer input on the matter?

Not that I know. That is why I say "I think".


Ravingdork wrote:
Instead take a dragon who casts fly on himself. Does he now have a fly speed of 100 feet with good maneuverability?

I would say no. The Fly spell says "The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet"--not "the subject's flight speed increases by 60 feet". For maneuverability, I'd say he could either use the Fly spell and get 60 feet at good maneuverability or he could use his own fly speed at the designated maneuverability.


I don't see how they would stack. But certainly you could have more than one effect on at a time and use whichever you prefer. One could have wings, be under the influence of fly spell, and be subject to air walk. All of these have different rules for movement of course, and you have to use the whole set of rules for that movement (no winged flight speed with fly spell maneuverability/)

Similarly, I see no reason that a gaseous creature, either naturally or due to be the subject of gaseous form, isn't a valid target for the fly spell.

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