Jirelles Swashbuckling and Finesse powers


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Hi,

Last night we played a game of S&S, one of us were playing Jirelle. After a while we got into a discussion about Jirelles Swashbuckling power.

Up to that point we had assumed that since the Rapier has the Swashbuckling trait, it allows her to use her reroll power on melee attacks. And since the Rapier also has the Finess trait she gets Melee: Dexterety+2 when attacking. Is this a correct interpretation?

Or does she need to add the Swashbuckling (and Finesse) trait(s) to her attack rolls some other way, for example by using an eyepatch? That could make sense, but that made us wonder about the finesse power, since we have seen no cards that add the finesse trait.

Could anyone help us clarify this?

Thanks in advance!

Shadow Lodge

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k7e9 wrote:

Hi,

Last night we played a game of S&S, one of us was playing Jirelle. After a while we got into a discussion about Jirelle's Swashbuckling power.

Up to that point we had assumed that since the Rapier has the Swashbuckling trait, it allows her to use her reroll power on melee attacks. And since the Rapier also has the Finesse trait she gets Melee: Dexterity+2 when attacking. Is this a correct interpretation?

Yes - that is correct.

S&S Rulebook, P12 wrote:
Revealing the weapon Dragon Pistol for your combat check adds the Firearm, Ranged, Piercing, and Elite traits to the check.

So revealing the Rapier for Jirelle's combat check adds all the traits listed on that card (including Sword, Finesse, and Swashbuckling) to the check.


Fantastic, then we didn't do it wrong. Thanks for the swift reply! We tried to find the rule in rulebook, but couldn't find it. Sounds like it's part of an example (I don't have the rulebook here with me)?

But weapons are special in this regard? Since many items/allies/etc. say that they add the Swashbuckling trait even if they already have the trait listed beside the image? That is what confused us in the first place, since most of those cards specifically say in their description that they add Swashbuckling to a check.


JohnF's rules quote comes from the section on determining which skill you're using for a check. Whenever you play a card to determine the skill, that card's traits are added. The vast majority of the time this is a Weapon or Spell for a combat check, but it could be any type of card and/or any type of check.

The Allies that add traits don't normally determine the skill for a check; either you play them for an explore or extra dice and they give a trait as a side effect.


Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense, I'll read through that whole section when I get home. Good to know that we haven't 'cheated' by mistake.


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If the rulebook is still a bit confusing for you with what does and does not add traits to the check, I typed up a more detailed explanation here.

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