The spell description talks about a recipient, so there seems to be no reason it can't be a potion. Sure, others are affected, but it's only because they are within 10' at the time the spell is cast, or in this case when the potion is drunk.
Drink potion, sphere spreads out to 10' around you. Seems fairly simple.
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The issue is who does Invisibility Sphere target? The spell does not actually list a target.
Wrong. It says it functions as the spell invisibility, and therefore uses invisibility's "Target" line.
It's an emanation, pesumably from the caster.
Wrong again. It's an emanation around "the creature", which the description specifies to be "the recipient". That is, the creature you touched. The target.
As the listing exists, I don't think it's possible for a caster to target another specific individual other than themselves, so I believe that probably makes it ineligible as a potion.
See above.
its something that i really wish we could get a ruling on invisibility sphere acts as invisibility and targets one creature or object then others withing 10ft gain the benefit"
This is exactly how the spell says it works. Why is this even in question?
the real question boils down to , in order for a spell to be a potion must it actually have the 'target' literal in the spell tag line description or can it designate/target a 'creature' in the area such as Invisibility sphere or magical circle vs x.
Again, since I.S. functions as invisibility, it carries all aspects of invisibility that it doesn't specifically overwrite: not just the target, but also the casting time, the duration, the saving throw line, the definition of "attacking" for the purposes of breaking the spell, the bonus to Stealth, and so forth.
This is common practice for a lot of spells, listing an incomplete "stat block" and saying "this functions as [spell]". You always carry all the rules of the source spell except what's contradicted by the specifics in the derivative spell.
Well, look at it in a rules-lawyerly fashion. Invisibility sphere has few parameters, saying it works like invisibility, which has target: you and which we all know can be a potion. Nothing in the target field invalidates this spell being a potion. In fact, potions are specified: "It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures or objects."
Note the "one or more" part.
"The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target." No problem there. really, there appears to be nothing in the rules for crafting potions to invalidate it.
I mean if you were to drink a potion of fireball, your buddies standing near you would still get blasted, right?
Even over on the PFS board, it looks like everybody agrees it would work, except for the guy whose gut feeling is that potions "should affect only you." That sort of wording is not present in the magic item creation stuff on potions.
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But there are others in the PFS thread that are saying otherwise.
Haven't read the thread in question, but being in PFS (or even being a 5-star GM or a Venture Officer) means nothing about how adept a person is with the rules. There's just as many folks who do and don't know what they're talking about in PFS as in the community at large.
What about Magical circle which does not out right say 'functions as' but certainly implys it
In my view any spell that says
'Area 10-ft.-radius emanation from touched creature'Qualifies as well because of the 'touched creature' line. Again it would make sense, but rules lawyers abound.
The potion rules say "target", so it needs to actually have a target. A target is a specific thing in the spell rules, as per the Magic chapter where it breaks down the terminology.
And it does have a target. The spell description says it works like invisibility, and there the target is "you or a creature or object".
No worries, then. Not even sure why it's a question, except for the general fear that pfs disallows anything really cool or outside the box. <g>
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So based on that... Invis circle is fine because it has "functions as" Invisiblity, which targets
But Magic circle vs x is not because even though it gives the benefits of pro vs x (say evil) it does not have the "functions as" text so since the spell itself does not target its not allowed?
that is seems...err... fairly lawyerish no? It has a range of touch, and a area around a creature touched. Logically thats the same as Range touch, target creature touch, which would definitely qualify. The difference is its creature touch plus something so instead of just saying "target" creature touched they said "area" creature touch. In both cases something is targeted.
Pathfinder doesn't have a great track record with making sure the people writing the content conform to standardized templating with important terms. (Though in this case, that fault might lie with 3.5, perhaps?)
We can only guess whether it might have been intended that they work differently, or if they were supposed to both be eligible for potions, or if they were supposed to neither be eligible for potions. Could have been any of those things. Since we can't know which way it was supposed to be, we have to go with which way it is. (Or for a home game, which way your group wants it to be.)
This is, after all, the Rules forum; it's for discovering what the already-published rules actually say. It's not a design meeting for a game that hasn't been released yet and whose final implementation we have some input toward. The rules already say something, and this forum is for seeing what that is. Deciding it should have been something else has a whole different subforum devoted to it.
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Am I misunderstanding you, or are you asking for a developer to take time out of their job to come to your thread and tell you whether "target" really means "target" or might just mean "generally the focal point"?