Silenced Vampire wants to dominate PC...


Rules Questions


How exactly do s the vampires dominate ability work? Do they need to speak or use the normal Dominate Person casting components of verbal and somatic to use their dominate ability?

We had a vampire try to use dominate on some one, but it was argued it wouldn't work because they were being affected by a silence spell. Does that stop them?

If I could get an official Paizo Ruling?


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The vampire's dominate ability is a supernatural ability and thus has no verbal or other components. However, the fact that the vammpire has been silenced could be interpreted to mean that he and his victim do not share a language until the vamppire is able to speak and be heard, with the result that the vampire can give only the simplest commands by gesturing.


Vampire's dominate person is a supernatural ability. Supernatural abilities do not require components of any sort (unless specific ability calls for them). The control is exerted via telepathic link so silence won't prevent vampire from issuing commands.


Drejk wrote:
Vampire's dominate person is a supernatural ability. Supernatural abilities do not require components of any sort (unless specific ability calls for them). The control is exerted via telepathic link so silence won't prevent vampire from issuing commands.

Where does it specify how supernatural abilities work? I couldn't find it in the Corebook. Rather, I didn't see where it made that specification.


Krowe wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Vampire's dominate person is a supernatural ability. Supernatural abilities do not require components of any sort (unless specific ability calls for them). The control is exerted via telepathic link so silence won't prevent vampire from issuing commands.
Where does it specify how supernatural abilities work? I couldn't find it in the Corebook. Rather, I didn't see where it made that specification.

It's in the CRB, but requires you to go to multiple sections.

Glossary

Supernatural Abilities (Su) wrote:
Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.

Combat:

Supernatural Abilities (Su) wrote:
Using a supernatural ability is usually a standard action (unless defined otherwise by the ability's description). Its use cannot be disrupted, does not require concentration, and does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

And they don't user Verbal or Somatic components because they're not spells, and Components are a specific spell rule, they don't apply to everything. Simple enough.


The vampire's dominate ability does not say it casts the dominate person spell. It just creates the same effect as dominate person.

Liberty's Edge

PRD wrote:
Dominate (Su): A vampire can crush a humanoid opponent's will as a standard action. Anyone the vampire targets must succeed on a Will save or fall instantly under the vampire's influence, as though by a dominate person spell (caster level 12th). The ability has a range of 30 feet. At the GM's discretion, some vampires might be able to affect different creature types with this power.

The part about it using a telepathic link to issue the commands is missing, it was present in earlier editions of the game. So, as long as the silence is in effect, we fall under this part of the Dominate spell:

PRD wrote:


If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as "Come here," "Go there," "Fight," and "Stand still." You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically.

The vampire can communicate basic orders with gestures and the dominated person will follow them.


Diego Rossi wrote:
PRD wrote:
Dominate (Su): A vampire can crush a humanoid opponent's will as a standard action. Anyone the vampire targets must succeed on a Will save or fall instantly under the vampire's influence, as though by a dominate person spell (caster level 12th). The ability has a range of 30 feet. At the GM's discretion, some vampires might be able to affect different creature types with this power.

The part about it using a telepathic link to issue the commands is missing, it was present in earlier editions of the game. So, as long as the silence is in effect, we fall under this part of the Dominate spell:

PRD wrote:


If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as "Come here," "Go there," "Fight," and "Stand still." You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically.

The vampire can communicate basic orders with gestures and the dominated person will follow them.

The dominate ability works like the Dominate Person spell, and thus telepathically, the vampire does not need to speak the commands.

However if a common language is not shared this makes this communication more difficult and can only issue simple commands as mentioned.

The sharing of a common language is not the same as a requirement to speak and be understood.

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