Shield Champion - Throw Shield - Check / Attack Roll questions


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Shield Champion - Under Throw Shield wrote:
At 7th level, a shield champion can use a thrown shield to perform a bull rush, dirty trick, disarm, reposition, or trip combat maneuver as if she were making a melee shield bash attack.

I thought I figured this out - since it is an "attack roll" by definition it is against the opponents AC, however see below.

I thought this meant all the "Improved Combat Maneuvers" don't apply bonuses to the Throw Shield ability as they all say "add +2 on checks made to..."

Combat maneuvers are special instances of attack rolls:

Core Rulebook under Combat Maneuvers wrote:
When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus.

This strait up says that combat maneuvers are attack rolls, which means when you are adding your bonus to trip due to Improved Trip you are adding it to an attack roll. These feats don't say "add +2 to your CMB when attempting a trip..." - doesn't that imply they would work with Throw Shield?

This also makes me question if the attack goes against go against the opponents AC or CMD?

Does anybody have anything to clear this up?

If you don't know please hit FAQ.


Improved maneuver feats would add to the roll, but not a normal attack roll. You are still targetting CMD. Some maneuvers are attack rolls that target CMD.

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