5e Casting Stat....


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I was justing wondering why 5e decided to with 3 CHA casters over a 2/2/2 split....

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I can't provide a definitive answer, but DnD doesn't really have a definitive Int caster besides the Wizard.

There's the Psion, which they're playtesting now (called Mystic), but the game didn't launch with it as it's not a flavor everyone likes in their fantasy.


I think it's as simple as Charisma fits the concept for bard, sorcerer, and warlock, which was what they decided to include at the get-go.


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Int : Wizard, Eldritch Knight, Arcane Trickster
Wis : Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Ranger
Cha : Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock

It's actually fairly even, with Wisdom having the most. Yes, 2 of the Int users are class paths, but they are still Intelligence-based casters. So that makes it a 3/4/3

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Actually, paladin uses Charisma for spells too.

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If you look at the full casters, which is who I was talking about, its 2 wis, 1 int, 3 cha.


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For full casters where are you getting three for Charisma? By my count it goes as such.

Wis: Cleric and Druid
Int: Wizard
Cha: Bard and Sorcerer

The only other "casters" that use Charisma are the Warlock (a pseudo full caster who doesn't get any spell slots higher than 5th level) and Paladin (half-caster who tends to prefer spending spell slots on Divine Smite).


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SmiloDan wrote:
Actually, paladin uses Charisma for spells too.

Ah, I thought they still went with Wisdom like in 3rd. That's what I get for not looking at the PHB and going off faulty memory.

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Adjule wrote:
SmiloDan wrote:
Actually, paladin uses Charisma for spells too.
Ah, I thought they still went with Wisdom like in 3rd. That's what I get for not looking at the PHB and going off faulty memory.

We all do that. I was just lucky that my PHB was close to me and my laptop.

And HenshinFanatic, the Warlock Arcana--or whatever it's called--now I'm NOT close to my PHB--gives out 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th level spell slots, they just don't get renewed with short rests.


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I know how the Warlock's Mystic Arcanum feature works. It doesn't actually give you any spell slots.

Mystic Arcanum wrote:
At 11th level, your patron bestows upon you a magical secret called an arcanum. Choose one 6th-level spell from the warlock spell list as this arcanum. You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot. You must finish a long rest before you can do so again. At higher levels, you gain more warlock spells of your choice that can be cast in this way: one 7th level spell at 13th level, one 8th-level spell at 15th level, and one 9th-level spell at 17th level. You regain all uses of your Mystic Arcanum when you finish a long rest.

This is why I called them a pseudo full caster. They only get up to 5th-level spell slots. Anything more potent is effectively a SLA usable once per day.

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Well, darn. So warlocks can't use their Mystic Arcanum to cast lower level spells? Grrrr. That's pretty shady.

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Yea, personally, I consider warlocks to be between paladin/ranger and sorcerer/wizard in their spellcasting ability. I wouldn't call them full casters but they are better than the half casters.

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