spitballing a paladin / mesmerist

[ohako]

yeah, so, uh...

a) I don't know if divine grace and towering ego stack. I suspect they don't.
b) lay on hands: here is some divine healing from my deity. praise be! touch treatment: same thing?

So, a couple of questions

1. Say you have 12 levels to work with. What's your favorite cutoff, or would you go 6 and 6?
2. Any deities sponsor paladins where a) the deity has access to the Trickery domain, and b) the paladin code allows for lies and tricks.
3. Any good effects for paladins that trigger off Will saves that mesmerists can influence?

[LazarX]

I can't think of a more anti-thematic combination. A class that upholds honest values and another that spits all over them.
2. No and No.
3. No paladin spells and effects don't roll that way.

[Castilonium]

The only gods with Trickery that are within a step of lawful good are Erecura, Khepri, and Chaldira. And Erecura's the wife of an archdevil. None of these deities have explicit paladin codes.

[derpdidruid]

I would like to play a paladin that tricks others into being good. Sounds like the combo could work to me.

[Imbicatus]

Divine Grace and Towering Ego both provide an untyped bonus equal to your charisma bonus. They don't stack.

Touch Treatment and Lay on hands are two separate abilities. They do similar things, but they are not interchangeable and they do not stack.

[derpdidruid]

I was under the impression that untyped bounuses stacked?

[Imbicatus]

derpdidruid wrote:

I was under the impression that untyped bounuses stacked?

Normally they do, but untyped bonuses equal to an ability score do not.

[ZZTRaider]

Normally, yes. However, this FAQ sets a different precedent for things like Divine Grace.

FAQ wrote:

Do ability modifiers from the same ability stack? For instance, can you add the same ability bonus on the same roll twice using two different effects that each add that same ability modifier?

No. An ability bonus, such as "Strength bonus", is considered to be the same source for the purpose of bonuses from the same source not stacking. However, you can still add, for instance “a deflection bonus equal to your Charisma modifier” and your Charisma modifier. For this purpose, however, the paladin's untyped "bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws" from divine grace is considered to be the same as "Charisma bonus (if any)", and the same would be true for any other untyped "bonus equal to her [ability score] bonus" constructions.

posted Oct 17, 2014

[Rhelous]

Castilonium wrote:

The only gods with Trickery that are within a step of lawful good are Erecura, Khepri, and Chaldira. And Erecura's the wife of an archdevil. None of these deities have explicit paladin codes.

To be fair, paladins aren't actually required to follow a deity, least not in the base rules. Though the code of conduct does pretty much state outright that lying's not cool (the whole 'act with honour' bit).

[ohako]

Castilonium wrote:

The only gods with Trickery that are within a step of lawful good are Erecura, Khepri, and Chaldira. And Erecura's the wife of an archdevil. None of these deities have explicit paladin codes.

I think a paladin of Erecura could make for great roleplaying, but I admit it gets complicated.

I think of those 3, Chaldira would appreciate best a paladin/mesmerist. So, there's a race settled. Hmm...