I am in the early process right now of trying to understand these rules. There's a lot to take in. Many many many google searches will be conducted to help with my understanding.
My question is this: Has anyone combined both the Kingdom Building and Downtime rules? Is it feasible?
Yeah, these rules aren't the easiest to get a grasp on.
They're not really intended to be used together.
The Kingdom rules are there for campaigns where the PCs will be big players with rulership over a number of settlements scattered over a kingdom.. as such, one "building" in the Kingdom rules is more like "zoning for that type of building" in the settlement where it is built..and most assume that in addition to the specific type, there are also supporting houses, shops, etc. that would be found nearby.
The Downtime Rules are designed to operate on a different scale, with a different level of detail. In these, one building or room really is 1 building or room.
Can you do it? Probably. Should you do it? That's your call. For my 2 cents.. I'd say don't try mixing them on your first try at using any of them. Get comfortable with each separately before you try to mix them.
I would say it boils down to your intent in how to mix the rules. Expanding the players to being in control of multiple buildings inside of multiple towns spread all across a kingdom would yield two results:
1) Exceptionally overpowered and wealthy PCs as they create magic capital out of every orifice on their body, and
2) Change the game from "Pathfinder" to "Formulaic Spreadsheet Adventures in Excel-land."
Well, my goal is to use them during book 3 of Wrath of the Righteous, where the estimated total downtime is roughly 3 months or so. So, no Kingmaker. But long enough to see if we can find some enjoyment with them. And to see if Kingmaker is a possibility for our group at some point.
Well, my goal is to use them during book 3 of Wrath of the Righteous, where the estimated total downtime is roughly 3 months or so. So, no Kingmaker. But long enough to see if we can find some enjoyment with them. And to see if Kingmaker is a possibility for our group at some point.
3 in-game months is, from my limited exposure to Kingmaker's kingdom building rules, and more exhaustive experience with Ultimate Campaigns, is barely sufficient to get the ball rolling on either.
I also would say you're creating a potential conflict with players needing to go do stuff in the world, and at the same time wanting/needing to manage/protect their precious new buildings that they just spent a ton of wealth on they need to recuperate.
If you're doing Ultimate Campaign, and have ANY Math People, Engineers, Spreadsheet Gurus, etc etc... you HAVE to, HAVE to either limit them to a fixed amount of space or limit them to a SINGLE building. UC Downtime Buildings are absolutely broken without some bound in place.