Lyre of Building...again

[Brakiri]

Hi folks,

i read through most of the threads here regarding the Lyre and its capabilities, but i would like to hear your thoughts about a specific project of mine.

I have read in one of the threads here, that a plain medieval house of "standard" size would require 4500 hours of labor to complete.

I have been invited to play a wizard in the Kingmaker campaign and i will bring a Lyre with me. I already have some thoughts about using it to build my own small tower with an adjacent house (will become my magic shoppe).

I would like to lay down my plans and my resources and i would very much appreciate your thoughts and feedback if that is feasible or not or what could be done to increase my chances.

Here is the thread i was talking about (4500 hours):

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m867?Lyre-of-Building

And that is the project i was thinking about (it's acutally very close to the building i had in mind):

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1182514

With the Lyre my perform skill is 15, i have Craft (Stonemasonry and Carpentry) at 10 and my Knowledge (Engineering) is 15.
I have 3200 gold pieces with me, from which i would like to buy the parcel of land and the raw materials necessary, to build the tower and the adjacent house.

If we assume that the house shown on the picture will be the equivalent of those 4500 hours i would estimate that the tower will at least require 2,5 times as much effort.
This considered, we are talking about 18000 hours of labor, 3 hours and 45 minutes of play.

Do you think with my stats and the amount of money available that this is a "realistic" project?

Thank you!

Best regards

Brakiri

[Mathius]

I am going to use ultimate campaign to build what I think you want.

Bedroom: 8 goods, 7 labor (300 GP)
Kitchen: 4 goods, 3 labor (160 GP)
Alchemy Lab: 8 Goods, 1 Influence, 5 Labor, 1 Magic (390 gp)
Storefront: 5 Goods, 1 Influence, 3 Labor (190 gp)
Fortification (Augmentation) x4: 32 Goods, 28 Labor (1200 gp)

If you were to simply but this off of some one it would cost 2080 GP. It would cost half of that to spend time earning the capital.

There is a total labor of 46 at a cost of 920. The 1160 you are on the hook for any way out. Again it could be half of that if you spend time earning the capitol.

Assume that on average you have 1 skilled laborer for every 9 unskilled laborers, and that a skill labor has +6 to his profession. That means that 10 man days is 2.5 GP.

That means 3840 man days to build your tower. Any hour of playing will grant 600 days. That means you need to play for 6.5 (rounded) hours to complete the building.

If your DM will accept that all labors of this type are skilled that labor is worth about 1.5 GP/day. That would mean that your only need 90 min of playing to complete the task.

[Ravingdork]

Mathius wrote:

I am going to use ultimate campaign to build what I think you want.

Bedroom: 8 goods, 7 labor (300 GP)
Kitchen: 4 goods, 3 labor (160 GP)
Alchemy Lab: 8 Goods, 1 Influence, 5 Labor, 1 Magic (390 gp)
Storefront: 5 Goods, 1 Influence, 3 Labor (190 gp)
Fortification (Augmentation) x4: 32 Goods, 28 Labor (1200 gp)

If you were to simply but this off of some one it would cost 2080 GP. It would cost half of that to spend time earning the capital.

There is a total labor of 46 at a cost of 920. The 1160 you are on the hook for any way out. Again it could be half of that if you spend time earning the capitol.

Assume that on average you have 1 skilled laborer for every 9 unskilled laborers, and that a skill labor has +6 to his profession. That means that 10 man days is 2.5 GP.

That means 3840 man days to build your tower. Any hour of playing will grant 600 days. That means you need to play for 6.5 (rounded) hours to complete the building.

If your DM will accept that all labors of this type are skilled that labor is worth about 1.5 GP/day. That would mean that your only need 90 min of playing to complete the task.

A magic shop traditionally has the following rooms: 1 Furnishings (Storefront), 1 Office, 1 Reliquary, 1 Storage, 1 Storefront, 2 Vaults.

A house traditionally has the following rooms: 1 Bedroom, 1 Kitchen, 1 Lavatory, 1 Sewer Access, 1 Sitting Room, 1 Storage

A watchtower traditionally has the following rooms: 1 Armory, 1 Bell Tower, 1 Gatehouse

I'd think you'd want all of those in order to build what the OP describes.

[Mathius]

Very true, but the pic he furnished is very small so I went with much less in the way of rooms. I will go a figure out your much expensive option.

It is going to be much hard to play the lyre for long enough to do that.

[Brakiri]

Hi,

so in essence it means building the shop and the tower won't be possible in one "jam session"?

My Perform is 15 so i guess i will be able to play for 3hours per week on average. Means 14400 hours per week, 57600 hours a month.

It should be possible to build the project in one month shouldn't it?

@Mathius: Where did you get this information? I looked through the Ultimate Campaign, but i didn't find any of the information you provided. Could you give me a page?

Thanks!

[Mathius]

Basically you need to read chapter 2. It starts on page 76.

The GP to man hours is not in the book. I used the skilled an unskilled work numbers on page 78 to figure that out.

You could easily get lucky on your rolls and go for longer. Remember that you do not fail on a 1. See if you can get +5 to perform ring for 2500 GP. That follows the formula. Do not forget heroism either.

[Turin the Mad]

If this is the same project with the house rules of +1 DC/hour after the first and cannot take 10, the same solutions apply. Your group's bard providing heroism every hour+ (especially if he has access to an Extend Spell metamagic rod) and timed castings of other spells will guarantee success.

Granted, you could simply run the bard out of heroism spells - which at 8th level the bard has a minimum of 6 available per game day. Even without Extending them, the bard can provide you with a total +17 Perform bonus for 8 hours' playing time. I believe that with just the one day of heroism support from the bard you can mathematically pull off the project with the lyre of building once you have all of the raw materials on site.

However, there are kingdom-specific rules regarding the lyre of building and its use. Be sure to read those.