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I'd need at least PFS approval , or better an official approval , as this is relevant for HeroLab (the official tool, so it need official stance)
if you have written evidence, I welcome them too :)
***** Fact *****
Adopted lets you pick another race trait (a trait, belonging to the 'Race' Category / NOT a Racial trait belonging to the race description )
***** Question *****
Does that apply as well to the variant sub-races for skinwalkers, dhampirs, aasimars and tieflings ?
***** Example *****
everyone agrees that:
1/ a PC can take Adrift (Book of Angels, P30) an aasimar traitµ
but does Official / PFS agrees that same PC could take (instead) :
2/enlightened warrior (Books of Angels P21 a race trait that allows to be a NN or NG Monk), but reserved to Idyllkin (Agathion blooded Aasimar)
Herolab says 1st is OK, but not 2nd.
I'd need at least PFS approval , or better an official approval , as this is relevant for HeroLab (the official tool, so it need official stance)
if you have written evidence, I welcome them too :)
You post reads as if herolabs was an official paizo product. As far as I know that is not the case. Or did that change recently?
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If something is usually vague or in a very grey area, I would recommend not taking it because a rules change in future might break the concept of your character or force you to change it. Adopted however allows you to pick a Race Trait. The Enlightened Warrior and Adrift are Race Traits.
Herolab is a great product, but sometimes very rarely a minor mistake happens like that. Please note that owning Herolab and resources for it has no barring on PFS. PFS has it's own set of rules about owning the products.
Adam
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Well, like I said in another thread, if there are good Race Traits in these books, being Adopted by a tiefling or aasimar may suddenly become a popular thing. Unless you are going to make a special ruling that those Traits are not available via the Adopted trait since the race itself is only available via boon.Nope, that is a valid option and will remain so as long as it is does not fall under the same category as Adopted (Social, I think)
Enjoy.
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Belafon> thanks a million !
Malag> I understand that some issues can arise (sometimes in the tool, sometimes in my understanding of the rules) I was just trying to clarify (both ;op )
BBT> Please read the above posts before replying .
I mentioned in the 3rd post that it's been reported and they asked for evidence.
by the way, you should not report bug via their forum, but using the dedicated page.
Just a Guess> sorry if I wrote something misleading :it's not a Paizo official product;
but they've been licensed to incorporate Pathfinder content into their products
and it is the official character management software tool for the Pathfinder RPG
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email received 10' ago, I mentioned the link above from Belafon.
I see two posts from Mike Brock that seem to contradict each other in that last link you posted:"Nope, that is a valid option and will remain so as long as it is does not fall under the same category as Adopted (Social, I think)"
"They aren't left out. They fall under heritages and are part of those heritages (you can only take them if you chose the heritage tied to it) and those are listed.
I also note that the posts are all several years old. Can you find anything more current?
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Herolab is designed to be follow the rules as written, but they take cues from developer comments. They also have a primitive back channel to get some complex rulings answered. Courageous is one that got answered via this back channel long before it got Errata, so Courageous in HeroLab never gave a bonus to STR/CON like many on forums wanted.
In this case, you have a PFS head saying apparently two things. We (as Herolab users) will need to locate a newer post. Preferably from a developer (not PFS staff) and with the developer aware of the conflicting rulings.
Mark is very active on the boards.
I was worried when SKR left we would have no active dev poster. I'm happy my fear didn't happen.
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I'm fine with it not being allowed. Monk's lawful alignment requirement needs to be fixed at the class level, not an obscure race trait. In the meantime, if you want to play a monk and be non lawful, you can either start lawful and switch to non-lawful after you have progressed as far as you wish, or you can be a martial artist, a brawler, an elemental ascetic kinectist, a sacred fist warpriest, an ascetic magus, or an unarmed swashbuckler.
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And you can still have a Sohei/Barbarian legally. Ex-monks retain all class abilities, they just can't advance as monks. Go Sohei first, then Barbarian.
If you only want a few levels of Barb for rage and fast movement and were taking them first, go Bloodrager/Sohei instead. Bloodragers can rage without being non-lawful.
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From the release of the Ultimate Campaign book, Race Traits are no longer segregated out to one of the four basic trait branches. (It isn't listed so for the Race Traits in that book)
That being said, I don't know if it was a conscious decision or if the decision on whether or not to include the basic qualifier wasn't thought of when that section was written and spaced out for the book. (All the traits was a repeat of them from other sources)
It is also unfortunate that some Race Traits in PFS can not be taken simply because it is denoted as not available in the Addition Resources. For example, unless you have one of the few Goblin race boons, the Goblin Race Traits from Goblins of Golorian can not be taken by a PFS character. Not even with Adopted.
The overall question by the OP, I am not familiar with those specific traits, I just wanted to clarify a point about the "Social" stuff. It never made sense to me that the traits most likely to be gained from a social upbringing would be denied because of being in two different classifications at the same time, one preventing Adopted from using most of the traits that it would likely be used for.
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Herolab (tm) is not a rules check. The developers for this fine programme try to do their best, but some things seem to slip through. Race Traits, for example, still have the secondary qualifier and Adopted with a second race (Social) skill come up red, even after the release of Ultimate Campaign.
I also have another case with my Changling. I picked the new Spiritualist (Ectoplasmist) archtype, and Herolab is telling me that the three natural attacks can be used at the same time (Lash, Claw, Claw). I know that is wrong, since the Lash needs to be wielded, so I will only use two attacks (Lash, Claw).
The best course is to read the book/PDF's and determine what is what there instead of trying to "confirm" how it goes with a program that may get it wrong.