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I see under the Unchained Rogue, they can use the Gladius so why can they not use the Dog Slicer?
It has the same stats, save the Dog Slicer is cheaper (8 vs 15 gp) and the Dog Slicer is a Slashing weapon.
Having played We Be Goblin series and having access to the Dog Slicer, I thought it would be nice flavor to use it. However, its not listed on the Unchained Rogue's weapon listing and I also use Hero Lab, which I can override the Dog Slicer use. Thoughts anyone?
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Remember that Hero Lab is not a perfect implementation and should be double checked. Also, the ability to override a feature doesn't make it a legal option. (I'm not sure if that's what you were suggesting I don't think so, but just in case). If you want to use a dogslicer you can invest in martial weapon proficiency or take the penalty to use.
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Joe, a gladius counts as a short sword, including proficiency. Both versions of the rogue can use a gladius.
The gladius is the favorite sword of gladiators, with a heavier blade than the standard shortsword. Feats and abilities that affect shortswords apply to the gladius.
As to why no dogslicer, it's a completely different weapon. The way I see it, its nature is sufficiently different from a short sword / gladius.
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Joe, a gladius counts as a short sword, including proficiency. Both versions of the rogue can use a gladius.
The gladius is the favorite sword of gladiators, with a heavier blade than the standard shortsword. Feats and abilities that affect shortswords apply to the gladius.As to why no dogslicer, it's a completely different weapon. The way I see it, its nature is sufficiently different from a short sword / gladius.
Yes, you're correct I totally forgot that. Thanks Mitch.
Also, they are only generally small sized which provides an issue in PFS.
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Small-sized shouldn't be a problem as Gnomes and Halflings exist.
To the OP: if you own the Adventurer's Armory, there's the trait Heirloom Weapon that might help you out. It's not available in the Core Campaign, but then again neither is the Unchained Rogue.
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Are you suggesting PCs in PFS cannot buy a Medium, or even Large dogslicer?
No I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that PFS often avoids things with "generally" or "at GM discretion" in the description. I think the society has enough adventurers available to have found some, in all likelihood. Though I would say that the description would (in my home game) make it unlikely to find a medium or large sized dogslicer.
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Are you suggesting PCs in PFS cannot buy a Medium, or even Large dogslicer?No I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that PFS often avoids things with "generally" or "at GM discretion" in the description. I think the society has enough adventurers available to have found some, in all likelihood. Though I would say that the description would (in my home game) make it unlikely to find a medium or large sized dogslicer.
Ok. I was just confused by your statement. :)
I agree about home games; in my home game of Rise of the Runelords, dogslicers are mostly size Small and ogre hooks are all size Large.
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Thanks guys for the fast response, as for the mention of Hero Lab adjustment, was for a way to make changes if the Dog Slicer was approved, and not waiting of the Hero Lab to update.
As far as comparing the two weapons, both are more alike than dissimilar - both have 1d6, 19-20/x2; fighter weapon group: Light Blades; class light; Martial Weapon Like I mentioned before the differences is DS = fragile vs Performance and Slashing vs P/S and of course the cost. Just more curious why one and not the other.
I think another confusing point is the Dog Slicer is also described as a Short Curved blade. And my buddy is wanting this with his Wayang who happen to have played the We Be Goblin series with me. So its a trophy of sorts to him.
Thanks again for the info.
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Yeah it's certainly not the only weapon that is mechanically the same or similar to another weapon, but doesn't work the same way.
Personal favorite:
Rapier 1d6, P, 18-20/x2, one-handed, martial,
Cutlass 1d6, S, 18-20/x2, one handed, martial,
Scimitar 1d6, S, 18-20/x2, one handed, martial
Only rapiers work with weapon finesse (at least without slashing grace), only scimitar works with dervish dance. Only cutlass works for a pirate. (ok the last one might be a bit of a stretch. Also I suppose the weight difference could account for finesse or not.)
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Yep, Joe you right, so I will advice my buddy either get past it, or take a dip which will not provide the lv 3 Finesse Training weapon selection (Shortsword) which gives the Gladius the DEX bonus for damage. If he takes the additional feat for Martial it will not join the Gladius as it not tagged with the Short sword class - no worries, save why the F! am I still up - ggggrrr. Thanks again Guys I really appreciate the feedback <G>
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If he's proficient with the weapon via a dip or a feat, they could select Finesse Training (Dogslicer), which for Hero Lab to welcome you would probably need to override though I'm not overly proficient with it to be sure. Not sure if that helps. (In fact I don't even think they even need to be proficient it is a finesse-able weapon which is all finesse training requires) If however they wanted to dual wield gladius and dogslicer then no that probably doesn't help.
Yeah it's certainly not the only weapon that is mechanically the same or similar to another weapon, but doesn't work the same way.
Personal favorite:
Rapier 1d6, P, 18-20/x2, one-handed, martial,
Cutlass 1d6, S, 18-20/x2, one handed, martial,
Scimitar 1d6, S, 18-20/x2, one handed, martialOnly rapiers work with weapon finesse (at least without slashing grace), only scimitar works with dervish dance. Only cutlass works for a pirate. (ok the last one might be a bit of a stretch. Also I suppose the weight difference could account for finesse or not.)
I'll wield whatever weapon I fancy.
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Are you suggesting PCs in PFS cannot buy a Medium, or even Large dogslicer?No I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that PFS often avoids things with "generally" or "at GM discretion" in the description.
Luckily, you don't have to trouble yourself with questions of "generally," because you can just check the Additional Resources page to know what's legal in PFS. GM discretion has nothing to do with the legality of items.