Hi all
so far it thought natural attacks combined with armed attacks or unarmed strike work as below:
as you perform a full attack, you perform all attacks provided by your BAB, including potential Bonus attacks provided by the two-weapon-fighting feat chain. eg: im Level 6 fighter, i fight with 2 shortswords and have twf and greater twf.
i have: +6/+6/+1/+1 (and -2 on all because of twf).
additionally i can make all natural attacks i have, as far as the limb wasnt used for armed attacks. eg. i have the same Setup as above and i have a bite, 2 claws, and a tail attack. all of them are secondary attacks cause i used armed attacks.
i´d have:
shortsword mainhand: +6/+1
shortsword offhand: +6/+1
bite: +1
tail: +1
claws: cant use them, cause i used the shortswords.
now i read this rule:
CRB wrote:
Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus. Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted by the race or ability that grants the attacks). If you possess only one natural attack (such as a bite—two claw attacks do not qualify), you add 1–1/2 times your Strength bonus on damage rolls made with that attack.
Some natural attacks are denoted as secondary natural attacks, such as tails and wings. Attacks with secondary natural attacks are made using your base attack bonus minus 5. These attacks deal an amount of damage depending on their type, but you only add half your Strength modifier on damage rolls.
You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.
i think this must be a mistake. TWF feats explicitly state they Count for weapons in the offhand. so they cant lower the -5 because of secondary attack, can they?
so in the example above, if i had the multiattack feat, i´d have:
bite: +3
tail: +3
or do i have
bite +5
tail +5
, because mutliattack sets it to -2 and TWF reduces penalties by another 2 so +/- 0...
