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If he is carrying a medium load then he takes the encumbrance penalties for carrying a medium load. If he is not proficient with medium armor and he is wearing medium armor, then he takes the non-proficiency penalties. If he is doing both then I believe that he takes both penalties.
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Table: Encumbrance Effects
Load----Max Dex--Check Penalty-------Speed----------Run
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Medium--(+3)---------(–3)----------20 ft.----15 ft.----×4
Heavy----(+1)---------(–6)----------20 ft.----15 ft.----×3
A character who is wearing armor with which he is not proficient applies its armor check penalty to attack rolls and to all skill checks that involve moving.
So yeah these would both apply if you have both an encumbrance due to gear and were using armor you are not trained to wear. Different sorts of penalties come from both these conditions, so they should stack. So if you are not proficient with medium armor, and wearing that armor puts you over your maximum load weight and causes you to be encumbered then you would indeed take both of these as far as I can tell. I hope that was helpful and correct.
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If he is carrying a medium load then he takes the encumbrance penalties for carrying a medium load. If he is not proficient with medium armor and he is wearing medium armor, then he takes the non-proficiency penalties. If he is doing both then I believe that he takes both penalties.
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Load----Max Dex--Check Penalty-------Speed----------Run
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Medium--(+3)---------(–3)--------20 ft.----15 ft.---×4
Heavy---(+1)---------(–6)--------20 ft.----15 ft.---×3A character who is wearing armor with which he is not proficient applies its armor check penalty to attack rolls and to all skill checks that involve moving.
So yeah these would both apply if you have both an encumbrance due to gear and were using armor you are not trained to wear. Different sorts of penalties come from both these conditions, so they should stack. So if you are not proficient with medium armor, and wearing that armor puts you over your maximum load weight and causes you to be encumbered then you would indeed take both of these as far as I can tell. I hope that was helpful and correct.
Yeah I think your right but I'd love to see an official ruling on it one way or another. I'm in the midst of building some crossbow wielding commoners and want to know how much I need to cut weight here. If anyone else has like a link or something to any dev answering this as well it would be greatly appreciated.
In the meantime I'm going to trim like they are screwed lol. Thanks in the meantime though man ^-^.
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Yeah I think your right but I'd love to see an official ruling on it one way or another. I'm in the midst of building some crossbow wielding commoners and want to know how much I need to cut weight here. If anyone else has like a link or something to any dev answering this as well it would be greatly appreciated.
In the meantime I'm going to trim like they are screwed lol. Thanks in the meantime though man ^-^.
No problem dude, and If you like I can link you to where I found all this information if you like.
Carrying capacity rules (where I got the table):
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/alignment-description/carrying-capacity
Armor Proficiency:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/armor-proficiency-light
I believe d20pfsrd is official in most respects. Anyway, have a great day dude and happy gaming.
Encumbrance penalties do NOT apply to attack rolls.
Armor check penalties DO apply to attack rolls IF you are not proficient.
There simply isn't any rule that states that encumbrance penalties EVER apply to attack rolls.
Also, you do NOT stack the penalties for armor and encumbrance.
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Encumbrance penalties do NOT apply to attack rolls.
Armor check penalties DO apply to attack rolls IF you are not proficient.
There simply isn't any rule that states that encumbrance penalties EVER apply to attack rolls.
Also, you do NOT stack the penalties for armor and encumbrance.
We all know you don't stack the penalties for armor and encumbrance it says it in the rules for carrying capacity in like the first 3 paragraphs. The issue is the rules state that encumbrance is like wearing armor so the question is whether that interacts with armor proficiency should you hit that threshold?
Currently I don't know of any official answer that exists one way or another. You say it doesn't, he says it does, and we dance around in purgatory for all eternity. Right now I'll just build like it's true (which makes for some interesting build paths for these commoner conscripts) and see what pops up.
Now if you've got an official answer sitting somewhere or a page number to back it up it's a whole different story and I'd love to see them.
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We all know you don't stack the penalties for armor and encumbrance it says it in the rules for carrying capacity in like the first 3 paragraphs. The issue is the rules state that encumbrance is like wearing armor so the question is whether that interacts with armor proficiency should you hit that threshold?Currently I don't know of any official answer that exists one way or another. You say it doesn't, he says it does, and we dance around in purgatory for all eternity. Right now I'll just build like it's true (which makes for some interesting build paths for these commoner conscripts) and see what pops up.
Now if you've got an official answer sitting somewhere or a page number to back it up it's a whole different story and I'd love to see them.
Oh dude I guess I must have misunderstood what you were asking earlier. No, encumbrance does not also get you the armor penalties for non-proficiency. You just do the encumbrance. I am not sure where it states it in the rules, but you should not need to worry about both if you are not doing both at the same time. Sorry for the confusion. My bad for misinterpreting what you said.
And if not? 'No armour' has an effective ACP of 0.
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Well I would suggest this is a moot point. If your character is smart enough to carry all unneeded right this second gear, ie rope, trail rations, spellbook and other such things in their backpack and since dropping an item like said backpack is a free action then it seems likely when entering combat that their current load would be light and no longer apply any penalty..
I wouldn't say all that since you can get into situations where you are encumbered and cannot dump your gear for one reason or another (you've got all the loot strapped to you, your pulling the cart full of loot up that steep hill, if I dump this gear I might not get it back, etc.) so I wouldn't say just dumping the backpack completely solves every problem.