Are newly published Rogue Talents available to Unchained Rogue?

[Wyrmfoe]

As new material is released following the publication of Pathfinder Unchained, are newly published Rogue Talents available for selection by the Unchained Rogue?

If so, will there be clarifications as to what new Rogue Talents are accessible to the Unchained Rogue?

If not, is it the intent of the publishers that the Unchained Rogue not receive additional Rogue-specific support (at least in the form of new Talents) following the publication of Pathfinder Unchained?

[Dragnmoon]

The source themselves will state if they can be used for unchained classes. This has already been done in the latest releases.

[Wyrmfoe]

Dear Steven,

I've purchased a bunch of the new stuff and haven't observed such. Am I likely overlooking something?

Could you mention an example that you've found of new material explicitly noting compatibility with Unchained classes, so that I can go back and review the matter?

[pH unbalanced]

Wyrmfoe wrote:

Dear Steven,

I've purchased a bunch of the new stuff and haven't observed such. Am I likely overlooking something?

Could you mention an example that you've found of new material explicitly noting compatibility with Unchained classes, so that I can go back and review the matter?

I've seen references to the Unchained Summoner in the Monster Summoning Handbook. I have seen *zero* references to any of the other Unchained classes (though I may well have missed something).

[Jeffrey Fox]

Have we seen new books released with rogue talents since unchained?

[pH unbalanced]

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

Have we seen new books released with rogue talents since unchained?

Cohorts & Companions has a number of interesting Rogue Talents on page 27. In the book they mention they are legal for Rogues, Inquisitors, and Slayers, but do not mention Unchained Rogues one way or the other. All but one are listed in Additional Resources as legal.

I imagine the Dirty Tactics Toolbox will be the one that will really be of interest.

[blackbloodtroll]

Are Chained Rogue Talents somehow unavailable to Unchained Rogues?

[pH unbalanced]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Are Chained Rogue Talents somehow unavailable to Unchained Rogues?

Yes. Existing Rogue Talents specifically listed in the sidebar on page 24 of Unchained are legal for Unchained Rogues. All others are not. And since they only listed talents from the hardbacks, there are a lot of talents that are no longer legal.

The reason for that change is that some existing Rogue Talents were either turned into Class Features (Offensive Defense => Debilitating Injury) or combined with others into one (all the various roll twice and pick highest 1/day => Certainty), and they didn't want you doubling up on them.

[blackbloodtroll]

That sidebar only notes that some existing Rogue Talents, were modified for the Unchained Rogue, and some didn't need it. Then gave some examples.

To me, that says you can't use a non-Unchained Rogue Talent, if it has been replaced/modified in Pathfinder Unchained, and you must use the new version.

Is there something to dispute this interpretation?

[Mark Seifter]

pH unbalanced wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Are Chained Rogue Talents somehow unavailable to Unchained Rogues?

Yes. Existing Rogue Talents specifically listed in the sidebar on page 24 of Unchained are legal for Unchained Rogues. All others are not. And since they only listed talents from the hardbacks, there are a lot of talents that are no longer legal.

The reason for that change is that some existing Rogue Talents were either turned into Class Features (Offensive Defense => Debilitating Injury) or combined with others into one (all the various roll twice and pick highest 1/day => Certainty), and they didn't want you doubling up on them.

This is correct, and you have caught onto the exact reason that many of them are gone. The lists in the sidebar are exhaustive lists, and anything that isn't mentioned there or present in Unchained is not available by default. A GM in a home game should, of course, consider allowing various other talents on a case-by-case basis, after considering exactly the sorts of things you mention in your post first.

[Lab_Rat]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

That sidebar only notes that some existing Rogue Talents, were modified for the Unchained Rogue, and some didn't need it. Then gave some examples.

To me, that says you can't use a non-Unchained Rogue Talent, if it has been replaced/modified in Pathfinder Unchained, and you must use the new version.

Is there something to dispute this interpretation?

The rules were listed in the blog and have yet to make it to the additional resources document. Link

[Seran Blackros]

Did we get a ruling on any talents found in books after Unchained was released?

S.

[BartonOliver]

Seran Blackros wrote:

Did we get a ruling on any talents found in books after Unchained was released?

S.

IIRC they should list whether or not they work with Unchained, otherwise the safer assumption is that they don't

[BigNorseWolf]

So far the production lag seems to have left the unchained rogues out of everything thats been released.