Unchained Rogue - Finesse Training and Off-Hand Weapons

[Blackbot]

Hey there!

Consider this:
A rogue has a strenght of 10, a dexterity of 18 and chose short swords as his "finesse training"-weapon on 3rd level.
How much damage do they do?
Is it 1d6+4/1d6+4 or 1d6+4/1d6+2?

The weapon enchantment agile says this:

Quote:

Agile weapons are unusually well balanced and responsive. A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons.

The bold sentence is missing from the similarly worded:

Quote:

Whenever she makes a successful melee attack with the selected weapon, she adds her Dexterity modifier instead of her Strength modifier to the damage roll. If any effect would prevent the rogue from adding her Strength modifier to the damage roll, she does not add her Dexterity modifier.

Now, I think that the sentence missing means just "treat your dex modifier as a strength modifier for all intents and purposes" and that the "...still reduced for off-hand weapons" in agile is merely a reminder and is applied in the rogue's case as well. But...I'm not really sure.

[chaoseffect]

There is a FAQ that answers your question.

You get 1.5 dex two handing and 1/2 on off hand.

[Blackbot]

G%!+~$nit. I looked everywhere but the FAQ. Stumbled upon it right as you wrote your post.

I will go into the corner and be ashamed now, thank you. :/

[Meikai]

Keep in mind that also means you get 1.5x dex on your bite if you've got 3 levels of rogue, select bite as your finesse training weapon, and have no other natural attacks!

[Richard McGuffin]

So do you add full dex Double Slice for full dmg on your off hand?

I get a lot of mixed input on this. Looking for RAW.

Thanks.

[Kudaku]

chaoseffect wrote:

Richard McGuffin wrote:

So do you add full dex Double Slice for full dmg on your off hand?

I get a lot of mixed input on this. Looking for RAW.

Thanks.

There is a FAQ that answers your question.

You get 1.5 dex two handing and 1/2 on off hand.

[Bandw2]

Richard McGuffin wrote:

So do you add full dex Double Slice for full dmg on your off hand?

I get a lot of mixed input on this. Looking for RAW.

Thanks.

FAQ wrote:

With a two-handed weapon, you add 1-1/2 times your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls, and with an off-hand weapon, you add half your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls. As per the ability's text, if an effect would prevent you from adding your Strength modifier on damage rolls, you don't add your Dexterity modifier. However, any other effects that would increase the multiplier to your Strength bonus on damage rolls (such as the two-handed fighter archetype's overhand chop) do not affect your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls.

Double Slice wrote:

Benefit: Add your Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.

in the thread the FAQ was related to, Mark Seifer, mentioned that this WOULD mean that double slice doesn't work.

okay so i was kinda off, and it;s not official but...