Wild Stalker - Wild Talents count


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At what levels does the Wild Stalker ranger get Wild Talents?

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Wild Stalker

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Rage Powers

Spoiler:
At 5th level, a wild stalker ranger gains a single rage power, as the barbarian class feature. He gains another rage power each five levels after 5th (to a maximum of four rage powers at 20th level).

This ability replaces the ranger's second, third, fourth, and fifth favored enemy abilities.

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Wild Talents

Spoiler:
At 6th level, a wild stalker can either take a rage power, or gains a +2 insight bonus into any one of the following skills: Acrobatics, Climb, Perception, Stealth, Survival, or Swim. The wild stalker can gain one of these two benefits again every five levels after 6th (to a maximum of 4 times at 20th level).

This ability replaces the ranger's 6th-, 10th-, 14th-, and 18th-level combat style feat abilities.

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In Wild Talents, the maximum numbers in the brackets don't add up. Also, the levels don't match what they are replacing.

So, should it be:
"... again every four levels after 6th (to a maximum of four at 18th level)" - this matches the levels of the feats replaced
or
"... again every five levels after 6th (to a maximum of three at 16th level)"

The current FAQ also looks incorrect - it doesn't match with the change between the 1st and 2nd Printings and implies that the Wild Stalker should only get 4 rage powers total instead of 7 (or 8)


This is the result of OMG NERF! Faqratta.

What everyone forgets with the replacement of Favored Enemy, is that you get TWO +2 bonuses to different creature types every 5 levels, so giving them one at 5th, then another at 6th, actually meant they were a level behind the power of the ability they were replacing.

At 20th level, a Ranger has 9 separate +2 attack/damage/etc. to be allotted to 5 different types of creatures (+2 at 1st, another 2 +2s to allot at 5th, again at 10th, 15th, and 20th).

The old Wild Stalker got powers at 5, 6, 10, 11, 15, 16, and 20. So, 7 powers/favored terrain/skill/etc choices compared to 5 different creature types of combos between +2 and +10 hit and damage (usually one maxed for Instant Enemy shenanigans, and the others scattered between +2 and +4).


I don't think that answers my question.

The problem with the current FAQ is that it was written in August 2013, before the UC errata was released in Jan 2014.
But the errata did not make the correction that was mentioned in the FAQ

It looks like originally both Rage Powers and Wild Talents were replacing the Favored Enemies at 5,10,15,20.

The FAQ says that Rage Powers and Wild Talents should be a single ability, allowing you to gain choose a RP or skill bonus at 5, 10, 15, 20

The errata says you still get both Wild Talents from replacing the Favored Enemies, to replacing the combat style feats at 6, 10, 14, 18.

So I guess my two issues are:

* The FAQ for Wild Stalker needs to be updated - either to match what the errata did, or to replace the question if the errata was incorrect

* The "to a maximum of four" clause in Wild Talents is incorrect. The fact that the levels that WT are gained (6, 11, 16) do not align with the levels of the replaced abilities (6, 10, 14, 18) makes it more confusing. Most (all?) archetype abilities match the levels of what they replace, so it is odd that this ability should be inconsistent. Which comes back to my original question - at what levels does the Wild Stalker ranger get Wild Talents?

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