Psionics and Demiplanes


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Main question:

On timeless planes Time passes normally but the duration of spells cast within them is changed to permanent. I assume this follows for Psionic powers as well. It looks like Time Stop gives you as much time as you want to do your thing, which is cool and all.

But have you ever tried Time Hop?

Time Hop says:
"The subject of the power hops forward in time 1 round for every manifester level you have. In effect, the subject seems to disappear in a shimmer of silver energy, then reappear after the duration of this power expires. The subject reappears in exactly the same orientation and condition as before. From the subject’s point of view, no time has passed at all.

In each round of the power’s duration, on what would have been the subject’s turn, it can attempt a DC 15 Wisdom check. Success allows the subject to return. The subject can act normally on its next turn after this power ends.

If the space from which the subject departed is occupied upon his return to the time stream, he appears in the closest unoccupied space, still in his original orientation. Determine the closest space randomly if necessary.

Augment You can augment this power in one or both of the following ways.

For every 2 additional power points you spend, you can affect a creature of one size category larger, or double the weight of an object to be affected.
For every 2 additional power points you spend, this power can affect an additional target. Any additional target cannot be more than 15 feet from another target of the power."

Time hop is fun normally because you can remove pesky monsters from combat or remove a link in a chain that someone's climbing or generally erase something from existence on a temporary basis. But on a Timeless Plane... the duration is forever? Does that mean that every single round they have to try and fight their way back into the "normal" timestream until they eventually succeed or are they removed from Time and Space altogether? Delete target thing that failed its' save?


FYI, psionics is 3pp and belongs in that section, not General Discussion.

Anyway...

Psionic Transparency is a thing, so the duration extension applies equally to psionics as it would to magic.

Here is the relevant text for Timeless

Timeless Trait wrote:
...If a plane is timeless with respect to magic, any spell cast with a noninstantaneous duration is permanent until dispelled.

So the duration of time hop is changed from 1 round/level to permanent.

This simply means that the spell never expires on its own from running out of rounds, but the creature can still pop back into existence if it passes the wisdom save. If the creature had a -6 penalty to their wisdom ability checks on the other hand, they would never come back and would effectively be removed from existence barring something external ending the spell effect* or the timeless trait being removed from the plane.

*can't think of anything that would do this, since I don't think dispel could target a spell on a creature that doesn't exist.

Silver Crusade

Snowblind wrote:
*can't think of anything that would do this, since I don't think dispel could target a spell on a creature that doesn't exist.

Wish or miracle would probably do the trick, outside of that though...is there a psionic equivalent to AMF?


Isonaroc wrote:
Snowblind wrote:
*can't think of anything that would do this, since I don't think dispel could target a spell on a creature that doesn't exist.
Wish or miracle would probably do the trick, outside of that though...is there a psionic equivalent to AMF?

Null Psionics

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