Two questions about adding spells known and spell lists

[Tindalen]

First I have full understanding of the FAQ stating that adding spells known without adding to spell list means you can not cast the spell.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r93x?New-FAQ-New-Spells-Known

I have two follow up questions I have not been able to locate answers for.

1: If a spirit guide oracle takes the Lore Spirit and the Arcane Enlightenment hex to add Magic Missile to their spell list, can they buy a page of spell knowledge magic missile so they can then cast the spell?

2: The FAQ specifically states that class features that add to spells known also adds to the spell list. The wayang alternate favored class option for bard and oracle adds spells to spells known but does not add to the characters spell list. Since this is a racial ability and not a class ability, this means the wayang oracle would be unable to add a great majority of the illusion spells to their list. Is this a case where the FAQ unintentionally broke obvious RAI?

[DM_Blake]

The FAQ prevents you from easily gaining KNOWN spells from other class's lists. If an ability takes a spell from your OWN class list and adds it to your spells known, that's easy. If an ability takes a spell from some other list and adds it to your spell list, that's also easy, you can learn it, prepare it, cast it like any other spell on your spell list. In those two cases the spell is on your list, so you're fine. But when an ability adds a spell known WITHOUT adding that spell to your list, you can't use it.

1. This adds Magic Missile to your spell list so you can now know and cast Magic Missile if you select it as one of your known spells.

2. I have no idea what the RAI is supposed to be or not.

[Tindalen]

DM_Blake wrote:

2. I have no idea what the RAI is supposed to be or not.

There are a grand total of 10 illusion spells that are on both the oracle and wizard spell lists. Half out of obscure sources. For an AFC option that can be taken up to 20 times, I would say the RAI should be guessable.

[DM_Blake]

Tindalen wrote:

DM_Blake wrote:

2. I have no idea what the RAI is supposed to be or not.

There are a grand total of 10 illusion spells that are on both the oracle and wizard spell lists. Half out of obscure sources. For an AFC option that can be taken up to 20 times, I would say the RAI should be guessable.

So get all 10 of those if you want, and then use your other Favored Class bonuses to get HP or Skill Ranks as usual. Perhaps that was the RAI all along; nothing says you HAVE to ONLY take your racial favored class bonus.

[Tindalen]

Ok, I did the research, of the 10 spells currently legal for this favored class bonus, only 5 existed when the book came out. If you still want to say that it is not obvious that the FAQ broke this racial ability, there is nothing further I can say that would hope to change your mind.

[Dave Justus]

DM_Blake wrote:

Tindalen wrote:

DM_Blake wrote:

2. I have no idea what the RAI is supposed to be or not.

There are a grand total of 10 illusion spells that are on both the oracle and wizard spell lists. Half out of obscure sources. For an AFC option that can be taken up to 20 times, I would say the RAI should be guessable.

So get all 10 of those if you want, and then use your other Favored Class bonuses to get HP or Skill Ranks as usual. Perhaps that was the RAI all along; nothing says you HAVE to ONLY take your racial favored class bonus.

Also nothing says that some favored class bonuses aren't terrible choices.

[Tindalen]

Nothing says an afc bonus isn't a terrible choice, but to state that and think that this was intentional is beyond pessimistic. The intention was to make wizard illusion spells available to wayang oracles. The FAQ that came years later as a reaction to an unrelated wording issue should not punish/disable reasonable abilities.

[Diego Rossi]

DM_Blake wrote:

2. I have no idea what the RAI is supposed to be or not.

PRD wrote:

Bard: Add one spell known from the wizard's illusion school spell list. This spell must be at least one level below the highest spell level the bard can cast. The spell is treated as being one level higher, unless it is also on the bard spell list.

Oracle: Add one spell known from the wizard's illusion school spell list. This spell must be at least one level below the highest spell level the oracle can cast. That spell is treated as one level higher unless it is also on the oracle spell list.

I think that the bolded part make RAI clear.