Pathfinder Unchained's skill unlocks with Alternate Crafting question


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Not sure if this belongs in homebrew, but:

Pathfinder unchained gives the ability to take the feat: Signature skill(Craft), which gives the following abilities:

"5 Ranks: When determining your weekly progress, double the result of your Craft check before multiplying the result by the item’s DC.

10 Ranks: You do not ruin any of your raw materials unless you fail a check by 10 or more.

15 Ranks: When you determine your progress, the result of your check is how much work you complete each day in silver pieces.

20 Ranks: You can craft magic armor, magic weapons, magic rings, and wondrous items that fall under your category of Craft using the normal Craft rules."

The issue is that rank 15's ability conflicts with the alternate crafting progress, where your check per day is in GP, compared to the original's silver pieces/week. The conversion thing to do would be to multiply your check by five (stacking with 5th's double for a 10x multiplier), which seems greatly unbalanced. You could ignore level 15's ability entirely, but that doesn't seem right either.

I'm looking for a happy median, what should I do?


This is probably better suited to the Rules Questions forum.

However, the problem here is that you are assuming the Skill Unlock is based on the Alternate Crafting rules. Based on the "5 Ranks" ability, that is NOT the Alternate Crafting Rules.. that is based on the CRB standard rules... presumably, then, so are the others.


Urath DM wrote:

This is probably better suited to the Rules Questions forum.

However, the problem here is that you are assuming the Skill Unlock is based on the Alternate Crafting rules. Based on the "5 Ranks" ability, that is NOT the Alternate Crafting Rules.. that is based on the CRB standard rules... presumably, then, so are the others.

You are correct and I am well aware that skill unlocks assume standard rules, and not the alternative. I say directly "The issue is that rank 15's ability conflicts with the alternate crafting progress", so I am well aware of the issue and am seeking a homebrew solution, since I know the RAW intention was not the alternate system. I omitted ranks 5's entry as being an issue because the doubling of a check is easy to switch from a day to a week, and I'm okay with the doubling of a check period.

What I'm not okay with is a 10* faster craft(scaling the week's progress to a day results in a 5* faster craft which stacks with the 2* from level 5), which is why I posed the question seeking a happy medium.

Do you have anything to put forth on that subject? Is the 10* faster craft not a big deal? Do you have an idea to better balance it?


Pseudos wrote:
Urath DM wrote:

This is probably better suited to the Rules Questions forum.

However, the problem here is that you are assuming the Skill Unlock is based on the Alternate Crafting rules. Based on the "5 Ranks" ability, that is NOT the Alternate Crafting Rules.. that is based on the CRB standard rules... presumably, then, so are the others.

You are correct and I am well aware that skill unlocks assume standard rules, and not the alternative. I say directly "The issue is that rank 15's ability conflicts with the alternate crafting progress", so I am well aware of the issue and am seeking a homebrew solution, since I know the RAW intention was not the alternate system. I omitted ranks 5's entry as being an issue because the doubling of a check is easy to switch from a day to a week, and I'm okay with the doubling of a check period.

What I'm not okay with is a 10* faster craft(scaling the week's progress to a day results in a 5* faster craft which stacks with the 2* from level 5), which is why I posed the question seeking a happy medium.

Do you have anything to put forth on that subject? Is the 10* faster craft not a big deal? Do you have an idea to better balance it?

Sorry... I thought you were expecting the Skill Unlocks to mesh with the Alternate rules. It would have been nice if there had been an entry that did note some uses with the Alternate rules.

For both the 5 and 15 rank bonuses, I am debating granting a "virtual" bonus to the craft check for purposes of determining progress. Since the Alternate rules allow incrementing a multiplier based on each "5" factors of the check over the DC, adding an extra 5 at 5 ranks and another extra 5 at 15 ranks, solely for the calculation of progress, seems like it might work.

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