"sane ruling" - ?
Tell my why, after a three feat investment, it isn't "sane" to allow me to use a longsword with Dex to hit and damage.
Because equating using a Longsword with Dervish Dance to using a Trident for Pummeling Style at range is, at best, willfully ignoring how the rules work.
Good thing he wasn't arguing for throwing tridents using style strikes. He was only talking about using it for things like using a longsword instead of a scimitar with dervish dance, which is arguably RAW (unlike the above trident throwing silliness, which relies on a dodgy interpretation of the term "Monk Weapon").
I think that a "sane ruling" is one that does not allow Weapon versatility to treat Harpoon as one handed weapons (net adept), does not allow to threaten 10 feat and pin opponent with a morning star (whip mastery chain) and does not let you use pummelling charge with a 18-20 crit weapon (urumi).
But then, everybody has his own concept of "broken" and "sane", so it's up for debate.
A Harpoon can be used as a one handed weapon with just three levels of Phalanx Soldier, whilest this does allow earlier access, the Phalanx Solider has much better options, so fair.
Improved Whip Mastery works wierd in terms of flavor for a Morning Star,(I have no idea why it's on the flail list) but I think Greater Whip Mastery works if your PC has a strap, like Thor does on his hammer. Whip Mastery is a useless Feat. Also remember that a PC can only use one of these feats with MV before level 10.
I don't feel the Whip Mastery chain is OP, as you're wasting two feats (Weapon Versatility and Imp. Whip Mastery) for the pleasure of using a Morning Star; for that cost a PC could take Weapon Specialization and do the same average damage as the Morning Star with a whip. And have wider Reach.
The flaver thing is definetly a problem though, but otherwise every other weapon on the flail list works.
I don't think Pummeling Style is OP; the main benifit of the feat is bypassing DR. One must also remember that any effects that activate on a crit can only happen once a turn, as there was only one attack.
Pummeling Charge is really just a weaker version of Pounce.
Because equating using a Longsword with Dervish Dance to using a Trident for Pummeling Style at range is, at best, willfully ignoring how the rules work."sane ruling" - ?
Tell my why, after a three feat investment, it isn't "sane" to allow me to use a longsword with Dex to hit and damage.
Pummeling Style Trident wouldn't work as Crusaders flurry only gives a weapon the Monk Weapon Feature, it does not add that weapon to the Monk Weapon Group.
I agree that one of your two senarios is ignoring how the rules work.
Jason Nelson doesn't really state a ruling one way or another; he outlines the different interpritations and his preference of the two, even stating thast it is his opinion. Hardly a Dev ruling.
He does a few lines down from the previous linked post, here.
So I take it that MV/MM aren't intended to allow using Dervish Dance with any 1-handable Heavy Blade?That is correct.
I think that a "sane ruling" is one that does not allow Weapon versatility to treat Harpoon as one handed weapons (net adept), does not allow to threaten 10 feat and pin opponent with a morning star (whip mastery chain) and does not let you use pummelling charge with a 18-20 crit weapon (urumi).
But then, everybody has his own concept of "broken" and "sane", so it's up for debate.A Harpoon can be used as a one handed weapon with just three levels of Phalanx Soldier, whilest this does allow earlier access, the Phalanx Solider has much better options, so fair.
Improved Whip Mastery works wierd in terms of flavor for a Morning Star,(I have no idea why it's on the flail list) but I think Greater Whip Mastery works if your PC has a strap, like Thor does on his hammer. Whip Mastery is a useless Feat. Also remember that a PC can only use one of these feats with MV before level 10.
I don't feel the Whip Mastery chain is OP, as you're wasting two feats (Weapon Versatility and Imp. Whip Mastery) for the pleasure of using a Morning Star; for that cost a PC could take Weapon Specialization and do the same average damage as the Morning Star with a whip. And have wider Reach.
The flaver thing is definetly a problem though, but otherwise every other weapon on the flail list works.
I don't think Pummeling Style is OP; the main benifit of the feat is bypassing DR. One must also remember that any effects that activate on a crit can only happen once a turn, as there was only one attack.
Pummeling Charge is really just a weaker version of Pounce.
The example i chose where not picked randomly.
The first case, as you eyed, is an example of a general feat stepping on a class defining unique ability, witch is not a good thing imho.The second, was just a flat out example of something that does not make sense. We have a guy picking a normal morning star that suddenly became 10 feat long and able to twirl aroud an opponent to pin him. Try to figure out how that work.
Third one, I don't even know why i bother explaining anything to someone who thinks that pummelling strike is weaker than pounce.
Jason Nelson doesn't really state a ruling one way or another; he outlines the different interpritations and his preference of the two, even stating thast it is his opinion. Hardly a Dev ruling.He does a few lines down from the previous linked post, here.
So I take it that MV/MM aren't intended to allow using Dervish Dance with any 1-handable Heavy Blade?That is correct.
isn't intended and not allowed are two different things
Any chance you could provide a link or a page number for those depictions?