I have a Paladin/Sentinel of Iomedae that has the Feat Iomedaean Sword Oath. The feat states "If you ever use a melee or ranged weapon other than a longsword in combat, you loose the benefits of this feat until you receive an atonement spell." Does this mean I cannot use shield bash in addition to the longsword?
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I would assume so; the shield bash is counted as a melee weapon and it's not a longsword.
Incidentally, uh... I think this feat doesn't sound as good as I'd like it to be. =/
Also incidentally, the Sword Oath doesn't say you can't throw your longsword, so boom. Ranged weapon problem solved (assuming you take Throw Anything!)
It might have this drawback that I did not consider, I was likeing the weapon specialazition aspect.
Hope that nobody ever disarms you of your longsword(s).
Fists are a melee weapon...
Looks like the might be a few atonements in the future. Thankfully, I noticed this before I get the improved shield bash feat, I can look at other options.
The feat just lets a character qualify to pick up Weapon Specialization with another feat slot. Ugh.
It's way worse than Disciple of the Sword since it actually grants Weapon Specialization and count the class levels as fighter levels, but that's only for clerics or inquisitors.
With sentinel's level 7 bonus feat, you can pick up Weapon Specialization since sentinel level counts as fighter levels when dealing with the deity's favored weapon; so probably don't even need Sword Oath.
If you take this feat, you can't make any attack roll with anything that is not a spell or a longsword without an atonement.
It's a garbage feat, and as protoman said it's unnecessary for your character.
It's even worse.
I believe rays and melee touch attacks would count as weapons too.
Here is a question - If the target of a CLW or a lay on hands decides they aren't willing do you automatically have to roll an attack roll? Can your party members make you "fall" whenever they feel like? It would be amusing if the answer is yes.
It's like a parody of the paladin code with an a*****e GM. You screw up, you lose your feats. You are in a bad situation, you lose your feats. Other players don't like you, lose your feats. GM doesn't like you, that peasant you tried to heal, he resists and you lose your feat. Don't heal those in need...you are a paladin right? Perfection.
This feat is so bad.
Thanks for all of the input, I agree.
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Weapon-like spells are explicitly allowed by the feat, but it's still bad.
Special: If you ever use a melee or ranged weapon other than a longsword in combat, you lose the benefits of this feat until you receive an atonement spell. You may still use spells that act as weapons (such as flame blade and spiritual weapon) without affecting your oath.
Weapon-like spells are explicitly allowed by the feat, but it's still bad.
Special: If you ever use a melee or ranged weapon other than a longsword in combat, you lose the benefits of this feat until you receive an atonement spell. You may still use spells that act as weapons (such as flame blade and spiritual weapon) without affecting your oath.
I could see a little wiggle room in that for table variance.
Flame blade and spiritual weapon are clearly spells that effectively create magical weapons.
Cure light wounds, on the other hand can be delivered as a melee touch attack, but isn't and doesn't act as a weapon itself.
Anyway, regardless of the interpretation LoH is still a source of potential hilarity.