Battle Song of the People's Revolt

[Alexander Nudd]

The new Bardic Masterpiece in Melee tactics toolbox specifies when you learn this masterpiece, choose a teamwork feat for which you meet the prerequisites. Once the feat is chosen, it can’t be changed. This
performance grants the chosen feat to all allies within 30 feet who can see and hear you.Your allies don’t need to meet the prerequisites of this feat. Abilities that extend the duration of a bardic performance, such as Lingering PerformanceAPG, affectthis masterpiece.

So my understanding of this is that I do not need to have this feat in order to select it, nor do I get the feat unless I am using the masterpiece. Is that correct? Seems sort of odd if so.

Secondly, the special says you can gain this masterpiece multiple times.
Each time you take this masterpiece, it grants a different
teamwork feat.

So does this mean if I take it twice for let's say outflank and precise strike that I can perform either Battle Song of the People's Revolt (Outflank) to grant outflank OR Battle Song of the People's Revolt (Precise Strike) to grant Precise Strike? Or does it mean when I perform Battle Song of the People's Revolt it grants both feats to everyone?

[Kalindlara]

I believe you are correct on all counts. For the final question, I believe it's either-or, although if you have a way to perform two performances at once (such as shadowbard), you might be able to grant both.

Hope this helps. :)

[mplindustries]

Bardic Masterpieces are not Bardic Music Performances, so, Shadowbard cannot use them (nor can other bard spells that affect performances help you use them/trigger off them, such as Virtuoso Performance or Saving Finale). You can maintain one Bard Music effect and one Masterpiece at the same time.

Anyway, to answer the original question, you end up with two different performances, one that grants Outflank and another that grants Precise Strike. Don't bother taking both. Outflank is superior in every way. +2 to hit is more valuable than +1d6 damage in the majority of cases, and the extra AoOs on crits thing is just gravy.

In my opinion, the best choices for this performance are:

Broken Wing Gambit
Coordinated Charge
Outflank
Target of Opportunity
Wounded Paw Gambit

[Kalindlara]

I can confirm Outflank's power level. Thank you for the correction, by the way. :)

If you can meet the prerequisites, Seize the Moment provides the bonus attacks without requiring flanking. It's all about the party's combat style.

[sowhereaminow]

mplindustries wrote:

Bardic Masterpieces are not Bardic Music Performances, so, Shadowbard cannot use them (nor can other bard spells that affect performances help you use them/trigger off them, such as Virtuoso Performance or Saving Finale). You can maintain one Bard Music effect and one Masterpiece at the same time.

Are you certain about masterpieces being separate from bardic music? I don't recall anything that allows you to maintain bardic music and a masterpiece simultaneously, but I may have missed it somewhere.

[Keep Calm and Carrion]

sowhereaminow wrote:

mplindustries wrote:

Bardic Masterpieces are not Bardic Music Performances, so, Shadowbard cannot use them (nor can other bard spells that affect performances help you use them/trigger off them, such as Virtuoso Performance or Saving Finale). You can maintain one Bard Music effect and one Masterpiece at the same time.

Are you certain about masterpieces being separate from bardic music? I don't recall anything that allows you to maintain bardic music and a masterpiece simultaneously, but I may have missed it somewhere.

Same question here; I’ve found no evidence that a masterpiece performance follows different rules than a bard’s other performances. That suggests a Shadowbard could perfom masterpieces as well.

[Alexander Nudd]

Right I agree that Precise Strike isn't a very good one to use. I was planning on taking Amplified rage on my Skald and Broken Wing Gambit or outflank on that character or a bard in the works.

Just trying to understand how this whole masterpiece system and specifically this masterpiece works, I think we've cleared this one up and should focus on my other thread regarding masterpieces in general. Most of you have posted there already. Thanks for the assistance, seems this is confusing to a large group of people.

Posted under two differen't aliases by mistake. Sorry about that.