Are Celestials Extraplanar Outsiders?

[MeanMutton]

Just what the subject says. Do Celestials count as Outsiders? I assume so but can't find the explicit rules. Any help?

[LazarX]

Yes.. celestials ARE outsiders. If you check their Bestiary entries, you'll see they all have the outsider type.

Extraplanar applies to any being outside it's native plane. This includes Prime Material PC's who decide to go gallivanting on the Abyss.

[Issac Daneil]

Yes; Celestials hail from the good aligned planes, so they are Outsiders

[MeanMutton]

Thank you!

[MeanMutton]

To further clarify - I'm talking about Celestial Animals, such as the Celestial Dire Rat. Not about Angles, etc. Does that change anything? Most important question, do they have to breathe?

[LazarX]

MeanMutton wrote:

To further clarify - I'm talking about Celestial Animals, such as the Celestial Dire Rat. Not about Angles, etc. Does that change anything? Most important question, do they have to breathe?

Yes it does, they are magical beasts, and yes they need to breathe, sleep, eat, and all that.

You do need to be specific. Celesital by itself refers to outsiders from the upper planes.

[Avianfoo]

It does not seem they become magical beasts either. The celestial template does not seem to change their base type at all or grant them any subtypes.

I would assume they would be extraplanar at very least though, but that is not spelt out either.

[LazarX]

Avianfoo wrote:

It does not seem they become magical beasts either. The celestial template does not seem to change their base type at all or grant them any subtypes.

I would assume they would be extraplanar at very least though, but that is not spelt out either.

They aren't any more extraplanar than an aasimar or tiefling would be.

[Avianfoo]

LazarX wrote:

They aren't any more extraplanar than an aasimar or tiefling would be.

Does this mean that dismissal doesn't work on celestial or fiendish creatures?

Extraplanar subtype wrote:

This subtype is applied to any creature when it is on a plane other than its native plane.

Aasimars and tieflings are native to the material plane... but if they go to another plane, they also become extraplanar. I postulate that celestial creatures are native to other planes based on the following tentative information:

Firstly there is the fluff that they "dwell in higher places". Unless that means mountains on the material plane, but I could be wrong here.

Secondly they can be summoned by summon monster and planar ally. Which summon extraplanar creatures and outsiders specifically (its in their description). So if the celestial animals are not extraplanar... how are the summon monster spells working? All those celestial and fiendish creatures can't actually be summoned.

Though I realise the second case is very specific to summons and there might be celestial creatures that call the material plane home.

I think this is very general though. What is the specific question that needs to be answered here? Why does it matter whether celestial animals are outsiders or extraplanar or not?

[LazarX]

Avianfoo wrote:

Does this mean that dismissal doesn't work on celestial or fiendish creatures?

If they are not extraplanar, no it will not. If they're brought forth by a summon monster spell, then it will work.

[Avianfoo]

LazarX wrote:

Avianfoo wrote:

Does this mean that dismissal doesn't work on celestial or fiendish creatures?

If they are not extraplanar, no it will not. If they're brought forth by a summon monster spell, then it will work.

I agree.

Though most of the time celestial and fiendish critters only appear in games as summons. Without context these kind of questions are a bit meaningless.

(also their still not magical beasts ;) )